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    Default Re: EBO EDU Hotfix

    Historically, I would agree with you. Wiki does not have anything recorded for a seperate subspecies of african eles that existed only in ethiopia/somalia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loxodonta#Classification), only one for "Carthaginian/ North African elephants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_elephant)" which may have been a subspecies of bush elephants. Given that its range extended down to the present Sudanese and Eritrean coasts, it is almost certain that these should be the ones being refered to. This extinct subspecies/species was indeed smaller than Indian eles.

    The wiki link even describes these NA/C eles as the ones that Ptoles and Carth used in battle.

    However, here is the EB description of the "bush ele". Note that they are described as larger than indian eles (which the C/NA ele was not). Also note that it says they were even harder to train than forest eles which seems like a reference to modern "bush" elephants whereas apparently the C/NA eles were likely easier to tame than forest elephants (not indian/asian ones). In any event, they are statted and modeled as if they were larger than indian eles.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    "Captured on the plains of Ethiopia and surrounding lands, Bush elephants provide the armies of the Ptolemaioi and Qarthadastim with a fearsome advantage. Larger than their Forest cousins and even those of distant India they tower over anyone and anything on the battlefield and to those not accustomed to fighting elephants a sight that fills their hearts with fear. The expenses required to capture, train and maintain bush elephants are high, so their numbers will never be great...

    Troglodytiki [rascist!] was what the ancient Hellenes called modern Somalia and it makes distinct mention of two types of elephants. There is also evidence implying that the Carthaginians imported Bush Elephants across the desert for their own armies from Ethiopia or possibly directly from the Ptolemaioi. Compared to their Forest cousins the Bush elephants were much harder to train which is probably why they weren't used in substantial numbers compared to the Indian & Forest elephants. Another reason might be that because of their larger size they were harder to transport back to Egypt which included ferrying elephants along the Erythrean Sea in specially crafted "elephant-carriers".


    Either the EB guys got it pretty wrong, or wiki has it pretty wrong. I would go with Arjos' interpretation since that seems more factually accurate, but as always, the floor is open to everyone to pitch in.
    Last edited by TheShakAttack; 11-15-2011 at 16:00.
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