Iran, Epic Troll

[Kadagar_AV]

Huh?

Huh?

I said fight against, not for. That merely increases your culpability, by your own standards.

I have fought for the state in a just war. I think that entitles me to have an opinion of what a just war is and isn't. How much blood have you seen?

No wonder you sleep with so many women! In your eyes, they all deserve to die. Might as well use them a bit...

I take very much offense by that accusation. Don't get me wrong, I can take flame. However, when someone accuse me of thinking that women all deserve to die an should be used - I can not help but report the post.

[Montmorency]

I have fought for the state in a just war.

I take very much offense by that accusation.

I can't help but pounce when I see some honest-to-god hypocrisy and self-righteousness. It's delicious to me.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I can't help but pounce when I see some honest-to-god hypocrisy and self-righteousness. It's delicious to me.

So you like to hang around guys who major in feminist studies?

[Vladimir]

This is trolllicious. I didn't know people did meth benders in Sweden.

I'm going to go worship at my Shrine of Notch for perspective.

[Tuuvi]

In a democracy, who would you blaim but the civilians? No really.

I don't think you read what I wrote. Our democracy is semi-broken, our elected officials don't hold themselves accountable to the electorate and they lie to us about how they will act while in office. Barack Obama made himself out to be a peace loving guy, so we voted for him, because we're sick of the wars and we don't like killing civilians. And then look what happened. Now who's to blame, Obama or the civilians? I hope you read what I wrote this time.

[Vladimir]

I don't think you read what I wrote. Our democracy is semi-broken, our elected officials don't hold themselves accountable to the electorate and they lie to us about how they will act while in office. Barack Obama made himself out to be a peace loving guy, so we voted for him, because we're sick of the wars and we don't like killing civilians. And then look what happened. Now who's to blame, Obama or the civilians? I hope you read what I wrote this time.

So, is he saying that because many terrorist organizations are Muslim that we should kill all Muslims?

[ajaxfetish]

I'm sorry you seem to think you deserve to die, Kadagar. If it makes you feel any better, I don't think you deserve to die.

Ajax

[Tuuvi]

So, is he saying that because many terrorist organizations are Muslim that we should kill all Muslims?

Huh? I don't understand what you're getting at.

[Tuuvi]

He's talking about Kadagar's line of reasoning. If the average American is responsible for the geo-political machinations of a lying presidential administration that has taken advantage of the public trust, then it follows that the average muslim must be responsible for the ulterior political motives of some of their spiritual leaders. Hell, why stop there though? We're all human, and we live in age where we're all somewhat interconnected when it comes to sharing ideas. Surely the whole planet deserves to die for the actions of the worst few, then?

The whole line of reasoning is absurd. Kadagar's opinion of the average american would only be valid if the average american actually had a say in the matter. Most of us only have the illusion of choice, and no amount of disagreement can change the course set down for the nation by those with more power and less morals.

Not that it matters anyway. I'm pretty sure he's just trolling and venting.

Ah ok. I thought that might be what he meant but I wasn't sure.

[Noncommunist]

I don't think you read what I wrote. Our democracy is semi-broken, our elected officials don't hold themselves accountable to the electorate and they lie to us about how they will act while in office. Barack Obama made himself out to be a peace loving guy, so we voted for him, because we're sick of the wars and we don't like killing civilians. And then look what happened. Now who's to blame, Obama or the civilians? I hope you read what I wrote this time.

I thought we voted for him because he was going to focus on the "real" battle in Afghanistan as opposed to the "distraction" of Iraq.

[Tuuvi]

I thought we voted for him because he was going to focus on the "real" battle in Afghanistan as opposed to the "distraction" of Iraq.

Yea true but he still made himself out to be the kind of guy who wouldn't go overboard bombing people with drones.

[Vladimir]

Thanks GC. I was AWOL from the thread again.

[Lemur]

Iran says explosives cut power line to nuclear site

Explosives were used to cut the electricity power lines to Iran's Fordow underground enrichment plant last month in an apparent attempt to sabotage Tehran's atomic advances, its nuclear energy chief said on Monday.

It was believed to be the first time Iran has mentioned the incident, which atomic energy organization chief Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani said took place on August 17.

He also told the annual member state gathering of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that "the same act" had been carried out on power lines to Iran's main enrichment plant near the central town of Natanz, without giving a date.

[Vladimir]

Weren't they also blaming the IAEA?

[SoFarSoGood]

Mr Abbasi, head of the Iranian Atomic Energy Organisation: "During the early hours of next morning, an Agency inspector requested to conduct an unannounced inspection. Does this visit have any connection to that detonation? Who, other than the IAEA inspectors, can have access to the complex in such a short term to report and record failures?"

If Fordow didn't have a backup generator the centrifuges would have been damaged but the IAEA didn't (or maybe hasn't) reported any damage after visiting the next day.

[drone]

Amateurs. You should first generate a voltage spike, then blow up the lines after you have fried all unprotected equipment.

[SoFarSoGood]

Totally agree and they have done that before.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Amateurs. You should first generate a voltage spike, then blow up the lines after you have fried all unprotected equipment.

Too obvious. You should plug in all computers and similar electronic equipment using American power supplies and plugs without earthing[1] in proper mains sockets[2] with the cheapest, lowest bidding contract made adapter plugs with no earthing either[3]. Bonus points for using extension leads and sockets, preferably at a 45° angle for extra fun[4].

Then, introduce small subtle vibrations... kzzzerrrt... kzzzerrrt...

[1] Because American plugs are unseated easily compared to UK or European style sockets. Very easily, in fact.
[2] Because incompatible, meaning that the weight of American plugs will not get any "support" from the socket and there's more wiggle room
[3] Time for a good old fashioned Christmas tree, right?
[4] Because then the weight of the plugs in the adapter plugs will cause the original plugs to be partially lifted out of the adapter plugs due to rotation... !

[Lemur]

Iran and the Onion: Made for each other

An Iranian news editor may be lamenting his or her own fact-checking practices this Friday.

The English-language website of the Fars news agency appears to have been duped by a spoof story by "The Onion", which claimed that a recent poll had found an "overwhelming majority of rural white Americans" would rather vote for Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than President Obama.

The story only appeared on the English site of Fars - which, like all other Iranian news organizations, is controlled strictly by the Islamic cleric-led government.

It is possible that, due to the tight controls on the internet and news organizations in Iran (and the fact that the story has not yet appeared on the native Farsi language site) that most Iranians will never see the ill-conceived story by Fars.

Friday is the holy day in the Muslim world, so it is also possible that Fars' normal editor had the day off and a more junior member of staff made the apparent error.

If the editor in question is still working, it's worth noting, to their credit, that they appear not to have picked up a story on The Onion a couple days earlier, showing a green-glowing Ahmadinejad proclaiming to the United Nations that he was, himself, a nuclear weapon.

[Lemur]

Things is getting interesting ...

[SoFarSoGood]

Hardly surprising with the real nose diving.

[Hax]

Not so strange, when you look at the inflation rates there, lately. Interestingly, a very steep increase of prices was also one of the causes of the Constitutional Revolution, back at the start of the 20th century.

[SoFarSoGood]

More dangerously the Turkish/Assad Syrian war seems to be kicking off... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-targets.html

Here it says they have contacted NATO and under the terms of NATO charter any attack on one member can be construed as an attack on all - if Turkey requests the enforcement of clause of the Charter (I forget which particular clause it is) then Turkey can force us into war. Hopefuly wiser counsel will prevail.

And if you wonder that I connect the two I remind you of these words from Russia's UN envoy, Vitaly Churkin "It's all about Iran. It's all about geopolitical complexion of the Middle East. It's all about the changes, some unexpected to our Western colleagues, which came about as a result of military intervention in Iraq and change of the political structure there. I'm not making any revelations to you, there is not a serious person I have talked to who would have any doubt about it, that a major geopolitical battle is being fought on the fields of Syria which has nothing to do with the interests of the Syrian people who are not interested in being the objects of this kind of geopolitical competition."

Of course he neglects to say that he represents one of the 'competitors'.

[Hooahguy]

Yup, this will get interesting. Wonder how NATO will respond, since Russia is clearly backing Assad.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well that should shorten the odds on a rebel victory: apart from perhaps Israel, Turkey can commit the most forces of any outside power in the region.

[SoFarSoGood]

The Turks must be restrained. Why?

A. Because Russian nuclear armed ships are in Syrian ports.
B. Because Iranian Revolutionary Guards are in Syria.
C. Because if/when we do go for Iran the Russian and Iranian will NOT be just mining the Gulf but the invasion of Azerbaijan and Georgia, thus cutting the non Russian controlled oil and gas supply to Europe. If that happens forget missile shields in Europe - the Russians have the energy blackmail card.

[Hax]

Hmm, this will also sour Turkish-Iranian relations. I don't think Erdogan is up for that, though.

[Montmorency]

A. Because Russian nuclear armed ships are in Syrian ports.
B. Because Iranian Revolutionary Guards are in Syria.
C. Because if/when we do go for Iran the Russian and Iranian will NOT be just mining the Gulf but the invasion of Azerbaijan and Georgia, thus cutting the non Russian controlled oil and gas supply to Europe. If that happens forget missile shields in Europe - the Russians have the energy blackmail card.

Yes, the Russians value Syria so much that they are willing to risk WW3 over it.

You overestimate the strength of the Russo-Iranian and the Russo-Syrian relationships.

[gaelic cowboy]

The Turks must be restrained. Why?

A. Because Russian nuclear armed ships are in Syrian ports.
B. Because Iranian Revolutionary Guards are in Syria.
C. Because if/when we do go for Iran the Russian and Iranian will NOT be just mining the Gulf but the invasion of Azerbaijan and Georgia, thus cutting the non Russian controlled oil and gas supply to Europe. If that happens forget missile shields in Europe - the Russians have the energy blackmail card.

The problem is though IF Russia plays those cards it would in all likelyhood backfire in a greater sense of unity against Russia.

Strategically Russia has depth but has to cover west, east and south the european nations only have one front.

[Fragony]

Things is getting interesting ...

Awesome. The Iranians could be our best friends instead of our worst enemies, they don't want it to be like this and neither do we.