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    Default Re: Torture Lawyers Are Shocked, Shocked at Obama Recess Appointments

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    Oh please. Some of your ideas of torture are legally practiced against U.S. soldiers in training environments.

    More shock and yawn. This is little more than a political gamble on the part of the President. That's why we have a court system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Some of your ideas of torture are legally practiced against U.S. soldiers in training environments.
    You do know that SERE Level C training (which is the bit that includes waterboarding and stress positions) was explicitly designed to simulate North Korean torture, yes? I mean, you're not shooting wildly without knowing the subject, are you? You know your history, right?

    SERE was created by the Air Force, at the end of the Korean War, to teach pilots and other personnel considered at high risk of being captured by enemy forces how to withstand and resist extreme forms of abuse. [...] The theory behind the sere program is that soldiers who are exposed to nightmarish treatment during training will be better equipped to deal with such terrors should they face them in the real world. Accordingly, the program is a storehouse of knowledge about coercive methods of interrogation.

    So your argument, which I have heard before from over-opinionated, under-educated folks, is that since the US military has a specialist program to simulate torture, then whatever they're doing in there can't be torture. Even though the US has successfully prosecuted waterboarding as a war crime.

    Seriously. This appears to be the position you're staking out. Reconsider, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    That's why we have a court system.
    And let's see what our newest SCOTUS member had to say about it in 2010....
    Although a President may fill such vacancies through the use of his recess appointment
    power, as the President did onMarch 27 of this year, the Senate may act to foreclose this
    optionby decliningto recess formore than twoor three days at a time over a lengthy period.
    Interesting, huh?
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