Saka edu: Feedback Appreciated

**gamegeek2** · 03-10-2012, 20:38

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

That's somewhat anachronistic for this period isn't it? Cavalry only became OP in NOM's time frame. And there's the problem of eastern levies designed to spam defeat charging horses. Anyway, the OPness of cavalry was one of the reasons we redid the EDU, he who has the cavalry left at the end of the day used to always win.

Correct, that's why that's the system we're using in EBNOM, which was the heyday of the ultra-armoured cataphract, though not its peak (its peak came later in the Sassanid-Byzantine wars when both sides fielded thousands of them, albeit not as heavy as the ones in NOM).

About the spam problem, this will be addressed in EBNOM through a new morale system designed to make levies break easily to powerful charges if weakened slightly first. We will of course need to test this.

The solution is the new ammo system I suggested, along with having high HA numbers (I recommend 70 men for most light HA units).

**antisocialmunky** · 03-11-2012, 06:52

I rather just make them undisciplined so when one breaks, they all break (when engaged) like now.

**Lazy O** · 03-11-2012, 07:13

Originally Posted by gamegeek2

Correct, that's why that's the system we're using in EBNOM, which was the heyday of the ultra-armoured cataphract, though not its peak (its peak came later in the Sassanid-Byzantine wars when both sides fielded thousands of them, albeit not as heavy as the ones in NOM).

About the spam problem, this will be addressed in EBNOM through a new morale system designed to make levies break easily to powerful charges if weakened slightly first. We will of course need to test this.

The solution is the new ammo system I suggested, along with having high HA numbers (I recommend 70 men for most light HA units).

Wrong, heavy cavalry was using mail by that time . Savaran used Mail, lamellar, and large chest plates on top of their armor, along with sophisticated arm and leg protection .

**gamegeek2** · 03-11-2012, 16:46

Originally Posted by Lazy O

Wrong, heavy cavalry was using mail by that time . Savaran used Mail, lamellar, and large chest plates on top of their armor, along with sophisticated arm and leg protection .

That much is correct. I should refocus my statement and note that it was the later Sassanid times when having less armor became more popular.

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

I rather just make them undisciplined so when one breaks, they all break (when engaged) like now.

You need to have their base morale low enough that they crack quickly when impacted by a powerful charge. Discipline will be low as well, and cataphracts will be relatively more expensive.

**Lazy O** · 03-12-2012, 12:29

If you call this less armoured...

Technology gets better, not worse, Personally I think full armored horse was a waste of money anyway .

**gamegeek2** · 03-12-2012, 16:05

It's just as effective, if not moreso, but it is less overall armour.

**antisocialmunky** · 03-12-2012, 16:11

Well they did transition to a slightly lighter corps which got all the way to Anatolia.

**Lazy O** · 03-12-2012, 17:11

Problem with that theory being the "lightness" misconception , it is because lesser landowners could now serve in the Savaran, the fully armored cavalryman was never displaced .

**vartan** · 03-12-2012, 23:42

Originally Posted by Lazy O

If you call this less armoured...

Technology gets better, not worse, Personally I think full armored horse was a waste of money anyway .

Lol. Note the 5th to 9th centuries CE.

P.S. Robin I forgot to mention I'd be hard put to give feedback considering I'm not well-versed in translating EDUs into plain English.