Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
To be fair, the Irish had their own Kings, and they had their own Lords and later their own Parliament - they also had their own brand of Catholicism and their own distinct identity goin back into the Dark Ages.
Indeed and framed in those terms I would agree, but this entire thing is framed in terms of the Nation or Nation State. How then do we define people who technically are members of nation X but dont want to be. The very idea of "The Nation" is a massively loaded word and the "Nation State" is probably late 19th early 20th century.


With reference to Iraq, it was the British who decided that the Kurds should be split between three countries to prevent them becoming a power Bloc.
Indeed now they were declared Iraqi's but they didnt want to be however the Sunni elite were capable of stopping this. Specifically if your conquered before your declared a member of a new nation is your conquered status now invalidated I cant see how it would be.