Reworking the mercenary and factional status...

[Kival]

I'll just delete all this, the consensus is gamey pick and choosing and that's well up to your moods XD

Gah, you got moody here. Let's evaluate things first. I think your definition is problematic but Robin's one is too gamey for me.

[Arjos]

I think your definition is problematic

What's problematic about a king of a region, being able to raise troops from that region? XD
The only part I would've agreed with is that unfortunately as of 272 BC epeirote possessions in Megale Hellas were minimal at best...

[Kival]

I would like to force players to use core troops. That's why I would advocate three categories: core/factional, regionals/allies, merc/very-shorttime-allies. Possible would be rules:

1.) 10 core min., 10 allies max., 4. merc max.
2.) 12 core min., 8 allies max., 4 merc max.
3.) 8 core min., 12 allies max., 4 merc max.

About the detailed number, we might have to discuss further but I never liked it to categorize merc and short-time-allies together with regional troops and long time allies.

[Arjos]

I would like to force players to use core troops. That's why I would advocate three categories: core/factional, regionals/allies, merc/very-shorttime-allies. Possible would be rules:

1.) 10 core min., 10 allies max., 4. merc max.
2.) 12 core min., 8 allies max., 4 merc max.
3.) 8 core min., 12 allies max., 4 merc max.

About the detailed number, we might have to discuss further but I never liked it to categorize merc and short-time-allies together with regional troops and long time allies.

So no opinion whatsoever with this guys? :O

[gamegeek2]

I pushed a simplification of composition rules and you guys come up with this? Gah!

If we want we can redefine factionals to a narrow group of units and expand the number of nonfactionals players can bring, this would probably have a similar effect to what Kival wants without creating more classifications.

[Vega]

Who set Steppe Riders for Pontus factional list thats totaly nosense

[vartan]

Who set Steppe Riders for Pontus factional list thats totaly nosense

EB team has a respectable awareness of geography, I must insist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic-Caspian_steppe

[Kival]

Who set Steppe Riders for Pontus factional list thats totaly nosense

They used "steppe riders" or "horse archers" quite extensively. As the factional lists obviously do not only contain core troops but also some kind of long term allies or often used mercenaries, that's not really unusual.