American Theocons and Muslims Agree: End Hotel Porn!

[Lemur]

It's nice to see the theocons and imams finding common ground: Ending the pernicious evil of hotel porn. See, renting screens for private porn is JUST LIKE segregation, 'cause it is.

We write to ask you to stop offering pornographic movies in your company’s hotels. [...] We are, respectively, a Christian and a Muslim, but we appeal to you not on the basis of truths revealed in our scriptures but on the basis of a commitment that should be shared by all people of reason and goodwill: a commitment to human dignity and the common good. As teachers and as parents, we seek a society in which young people are encouraged to respect others and themselves—treating no one as an impersonal object or thing. We hope that you share our desire to build such a society. [...]

[W]e trust that you need no reminding of the fact that something’s being legal does not make it right. For example, denying black men and women and their families access to hotel rooms—and tables in restaurants, as well as other amenities and opportunities—was, for countless shameful years, perfectly legal. In some circumstances, it even made financial sense for hotel owners and operators in racist cultures to engage in segregationist practices even when not compelled by law to do so. However, this was deeply morally wrong. Shame on those who denied their brothers and sisters of color the equal treatment to which they were morally entitled. Shame on you if you hide behind legality to peddle immorality in the pursuit of money.

[HoreTore]

I love the term "Theocon". Thank you, Lemur.

[Major Robert Dump]

Porn is not treating someone as an impersonal object. There is nothing more personal than intercourse. These people are stupid. Without porn, men would go crazy and go on shooting rampages when their wives get fat and grew beards. There are those who say "well he could have sex with his wife" to which I respond LOLZOR

[drone]

I fail to see how hotels make any money on PPV pr0n when most hotels offer free wifi.

[Vuk]

Porn is not treating someone as an impersonal object. There is nothing more personal than intercourse. These people are stupid. Without porn, men would go crazy and go on shooting rampages when their wives get fat and grew beards. There are those who say "well he could have sex with his wife" to which I respond LOLZOR

Men would go on shooting rampages when their wives got fat? That is 10000 million times more ridiculous than the article in the OP ever could be. And then to think that two members were thankful for it! LOL!
The fact that someone would say something like seem indicative to me that he is way too obsessed with sex...probably as a result of watching too much porn, and is now grasping at straws to make arguments in favor of keeping up his habit.

[Lemur]

keeping up

Heh heh. You said "keeping up."

[Major Robert Dump]

I fail to see how hotels make any money on PPV pr0n when most hotels offer free wifi.

PPV Porn is an "event" where you invite the guys and the family over, just like UFC or the Super Bowl.

When looking for something more personal with the lady, shopping for the right movie to watch during your date, is not unlike the two of you shopping for a new bed together, or browsing the produce section for the perfect eggplant. Once you read the descriptions and find the right pornographic movie, it is the perfect compliment for a sexy hotel stay while enjoying Carls Jr takeout and sipping ice cold Schlitz.

These are things mountain men like Vuk will never understand

[Vuk]

Oh yes major dump, Vuk will never understand how a guy would be completely justified in murdering his wife because she got fat if he could not watch porn. Mr. Women's rights to the rescue!

[Centurion1]

Vuk tames his wild sexless soul by growing corn which by the by makes him the strongest man in the world.

Did you know Vuk fought both Klitschko brothers and beat them using only punches straight to the forehead and with one hand tied behind his back since he said his farm labor training regimen was an unfair advantage. His hands remain unbroken.

[Fragony]

PPV Porn is an "event" where you invite the guys and the family over, just like UFC or the Super Bowl.

When looking for something more personal with the lady, shopping for the right movie to watch during your date, is not unlike the two of you shopping for a new bed together, or browsing the produce section for the perfect eggplant. Once you read the descriptions and find the right pornographic movie, it is the perfect compliment for a sexy hotel stay while enjoying Carls Jr takeout and sipping ice cold Schlitz.

These are things mountain men like Vuk will never understand

There are also some things you don't understand, porn is a harsh world, not everybody is in it for the fun

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/2145...e_pr0nset.html

[Major Robert Dump]

There are also some things you don't understand, porn is a harsh world, not everybody is in it for the fun

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/2145...e_pr0nset.html

Cry me a river. And here I thought it was all pecan pie and puppy dogs. People are selling their bodies. Some enjoy it, some don't. Read the fine print on your contracts, just like in the real world.

If they want to regulate the "workforce" then they should. But thinking women will stop selling their bodies to old men anytime soon is retarded. Google yourself Backpage + any major US city and check the escorts section. There are hundreds of ads PER DAY. In fact, if they legalized prostitution in the puritanical country, we might see the porn industry simmer down and perhaps become a legitimate form of work.

[Fragony]

Cry me a river. And here I thought it was all pecan pie and puppy dogs. People are selling their bodies. Some enjoy it, some don't. Read the fine print on your contracts, just like in the real world.

If they want to regulate the "workforce" then they should. But thinking women will stop selling their bodies to old men anytime soon is retarded. Google yourself Backpage + any major US city and check the escorts section. There are hundreds of ads PER DAY. In fact, if they legalized prostitution in the puritanical country, we might see the porn industry simmer down and perhaps become a legitimate form of work.

Sure all that, but it's not harmless fun. I like harmless.

[Lemur]

Sure all that, but it's not harmless fun. I like harmless.

Your iPad was made by enslaved hobbits in a post-industrial wasteland Shire. Deal with it.

Porn, like any industry, has its dregs and losers. But I'd be willing to bet you see more real work done to create real products in the San Fernando Valley than I did in my eight years on Wall Street.

[Fragony]

Your iPad was made by enslaved hobbits in a post-industrial wasteland Shire. Deal with it.

If you take that statement and apply it on the porn-industry, does it feel right to you

[Kralizec]

Of course not. Why would Lemur be interested in porn made with hobbits?

[Fragony]

Of course not. Why would Lemur be interested in porn made with hobbits?

Was a major hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QAl...e_gdata_player

[Lemur]

Why would Lemur be interested in porn made with hobbits?

Uhh ... no reason .. that would be absurd ...

[Tellos Athenaios]

Your iPad was made by enslaved hobbits in a post-industrial wasteland Shire.

Your iPad was made by people who quite likely chose that line of work as it pays rather better and comes with benefits and such than you could dream of for most white collar work you could ever hope to get fresh out of university with a degree. Foxconn may not be panda hugging hipsters who only require you to grow some bamboo whilst meditating on your balance with nature or some such but they are not comparable to the porn industry either. Rather more comparable to moaning about those poor overworked Wall Street types who take to various unhealthy substances to relieve stress and have to suffer New York, or some such. Hence why we don't (should not) look to China for moral guidance or inspiration on how to deal with the workforce.

Deal with it.

Now that I would agree with if it weren't for the fact that we're quite obviously not talking about the "Vanilla" style of porn.

Watched that clip, the point is not that people don't chose to go into the line of work, or don't understand it's not going to be "easy" or even remotely enjoyable. Regardless of whatever else you may think of the Theocon undertones of that clip Fragony posted, the point is that often enough the not so vanilla stuff comes with something (especially attitude) that in all other lines of work would be classified as "abuse".

It's pretty much recognised in all lines of work that if you subject people to stress, dangerous and potentially fatal conditions that employees and employer have a basic responsibility to treat each other with concern for safety, health and well being. Issue is that in porn (and prostitution for that matter) there are plenty of outfits that fail to observe that basic principle, so calling for regulation is not wrong per se.

Now you could argue that uhm, yeah, that's what she signed up for so she should deal with it. The counter point to this is that abuse remains, well, abuse and as far as I am aware (or concerned) that remains "wrong". We have all sorts of protection clauses in most line of work to prevent employers from shafting employees with small print, and outright ban abuse -- I don't see why the same shouldn't be enforced in porn.

[Montmorency]

We write to ask you to stop offering pornographic movies in your company’s hotels. [...] We are, respectively, a Christian and a Muslim, but we appeal to you not on the basis of truths revealed in our scriptures but on the basis of a commitment that should be shared by all people of reason and goodwill: a commitment to human dignity and the common good. As teachers and as parents, we seek a society in which young people are encouraged to respect others and themselves—treating no one as an impersonal object or thing. We hope that you share our desire to build such a society. [...]

[W]e trust that you need no reminding of the fact that something’s being legal does not make it right. For example, denying black men and women and their families access to hotel rooms—and tables in restaurants, as well as other amenities and opportunities—was, for countless shameful years, perfectly legal. In some circumstances, it even made financial sense for hotel owners and operators in racist cultures to engage in segregationist practices even when not compelled by law to do so. However, this was deeply morally wrong. Shame on those who denied their brothers and sisters of color the equal treatment to which they were morally entitled. Shame on you if you hide behind legality to peddle immorality in the pursuit of money.

So that's what Sasaki Kojiro has been up to lately.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well that's another thing of course. It all smacks of typical "theocon" (rather like that word) desire, if not hunger, to appropriate all aspects of public life without regard to the fact that they might just be a different world out there full of people who'd much rather they all went away instead of "taking their liberties".

You've got to give them credit for cynically appropriating the whole segregation thing though. I mean it's almost funny in a Blackadder II sort of way, but without the subtlety.

[Viking]

Hobbits.



Christians and Muslims uniting for particular causes? I expect more of it, so much in common. We'll see more PDA.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Hotels can ban porn and then deal with the ramifications (positive and negative) from their guests. There is no reason why a privately owned chain should be unable to decide what channels it put into it's rooms or internet services to provide. If guests like it, they can stay, if not, they can not stay. No government order should force them to provide it or to ban it, however.

[Moros]

I like redheads and bubble buts. Am I going to hell?

[Greyblades]

You are if you use bubble but in your vocabulary.

[Moros]

You are if you use bubble but in your volcabulary.

Then we shall meet again.

[PanzerJaeger]

Now you could argue that uhm, yeah, that's what she signed up for so she should deal with it. The counter point to this is that abuse remains, well, abuse and as far as I am aware (or concerned) that remains "wrong".

Define 'abuse' in this context, please.

[spankythehippo]

Watching porn is just like maintaining a factory. Every once in a while, you should release the valves.

Everyone should wear a PSI meter on their crotch. When the needle goes into the red zone, take a moment and excuse yourself. Thank you Louis CK, for empowering masturbation everywhere.

[Greyblades]

Then we shall meet again.

Ah if only this was the "cure for nazism" thread; then me calling you a grammar/spelling nazi would be funny instead of whiney.

[Sarmatian]

Well, it's hard to worry about women being abused when you're watching Abused Women #53.

I say ban those two guys who wrote the letter. Since it's one Christian and one Muslim, no one could accuse anybody of racism.

[classical_hero]

I just love how your urges are very important, and yet the industry is basically the most abusive one in the world. I know who to ask for advice for help.