Graduation Gift. Beretta Px4 Storm & 200 Winchester full metal jacket rounds

[Sarmatian]

If the point is to kill, then kill. You cannot be more than killed. There is no such thing as overkill, unless it kills others you did not intend. A .50 would have a better chance of killing, so why not use it? What is absurd about good killing potential?

The point is not to kill, the point is to stop, if we're talking about hypothetical handgun for personal defence scenario. You're not a vigilante striving to make the world a safer place by killing pickpockets and burglars en masse.

Your goal is to prevent personal injury and/or loss of your personal property. For that, smaller calibers work just as good as the bigger ones.

Just to be clear, my knowledge of firearms is limited to recognizing the difference between a pistol and a rifle, but I know a howitzer is more powerful than anything you guys talked about and since I want a howitzer, I'm cooler than any of you and most badass person in the backroom.

Anyone wants a piece of me, huh?! I said HUH?! Didn't think so.

[rory_20_uk]

Bigger bullets mean less in the magazine which in turn means a heavier gun with a greater kick - less accuracy and fewer bullets not great I would imagine.

For the true defender of all that's right and good, get an M4 in case he's wearing non-military body armour.

[Fragony]

The point is not to kill, the point is to stop, if we're talking about hypothetical handgun for personal defence scenario. You're not a vigilante striving to make the world a safer place by killing pickpockets and burglars en masse.

Your goal is to prevent personal injury and/or loss of your personal property. For that, smaller calibers work just as good as the bigger ones.

Just to be clear, my knowledge of firearms is limited to recognizing the difference between a pistol and a rifle, but I know a howitzer is more powerful than anything you guys talked about and since I want a howitzer, I'm cooler than any of you and most badass person in the backroom.

Anyone wants a piece of me, huh?! I said HUH?! Didn't think so.

I once opted for a Deathstar, that was in the frontroom though

[Vuk]

The point is not to kill, the point is to stop, if we're talking about hypothetical handgun for personal defence scenario. You're not a vigilante striving to make the world a safer place by killing pickpockets and burglars en masse.

Your goal is to prevent personal injury and/or loss of your personal property. For that, smaller calibers work just as good as the bigger ones.

Just to be clear, my knowledge of firearms is limited to recognizing the difference between a pistol and a rifle, but I know a howitzer is more powerful than anything you guys talked about and since I want a howitzer, I'm cooler than any of you and most badass person in the backroom.

Anyone wants a piece of me, huh?! I said HUH?! Didn't think so.

The best and only sure way to stop them is to kill them.

[Beskar]

The best and only sure way to stop them is to kill them.

and that is a comment you don't want taken out of context.

[Vuk]

and that is a comment you don't want taken out of context.

Really, if someone trying to kill you, and the only way you can save your life is to defend yourself with your gun, how do you stop them. If you hit them and put a neat hole in them, but don't kill them, they may not even realize they have been hit and that may give them the opportunity to kill you. You stop someone who has a gun from killing you by killing them. Unfortunately, that is often the only way.

[Lemur]

Fun fact: the .45 ACP round is usually subsonic (exception being certain "hot" rounds and special loads). So you fit a .45 with a suppressor, and you've got about as quiet of a popgun as nature will allow.



Now if only I lived n New Zealand, where suppressors are legal for everyone. (Here in the US they're a pain to obtain.)

[drone]

Fun fact: the .45 ACP round is usually subsonic (exception being certain "hot" rounds and special loads). So you fit a .45 with a suppressor, and you've got about as quiet of a popgun as nature will allow.

That HK45 will probably be my next pistol. Minus the suppressor though.

[Vladimir]

Fun fact: the .45 ACP round is usually subsonic (exception being certain "hot" rounds and special loads). So you fit a .45 with a suppressor, and you've got about as quiet of a popgun as nature will allow.

Yep. That's one thing I like about it. Fewer rounds force you to be more accurate and the lower velocity reduces risk to others.

[rvg]

The best and only sure way to stop them is to kill them.

But why .45 cal? It's like swatting flies with a sledgehammer.

[Vuk]

But why .45 cal? It's like swatting flies with a sledgehammer.

9mm doesn't kill reliably and therefore doesn't stop an attacker reliably. .45 does so much more reliably.

[rajpoot]

I haven't seen this much blood thirst here since Bin Laden died.....

[Vuk]

I haven't seen this much blood thirst here since Bin Laden died.....

Blood thirst is the desire to kill. No one here wants to kill anyone.

[Lemur]

No one here wants to kill anyone.

Well, maybe, but I am full of rage and just went off my medication.

Actually, wait a minute, that's not me, that's how I imagine the other drivers on the road.

Never mind.

[Kralizec]

Just to be clear, my knowledge of firearms is limited to recognizing the difference between a pistol and a rifle, but I know a howitzer is more powerful than anything you guys talked about and since I want a howitzer, I'm cooler than any of you and most badass person in the backroom.

Anyone wants a piece of me, huh?! I said HUH?! Didn't think so.

I want a scud launcher. Beat that!

[a completely inoffensive name]

I want a scud launcher. Beat that!

I want an experimental MIRV.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I want an experimental MIRV.

If you want to go nuclear, why not do it properly and get yourself a relativistic baseball ?