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    Default Re: Vaccines—Who Needs 'Em?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    Yes, accusing people who choose not to stick needles all througout themselves of being child-murderers is a perfectly rational thing.
    Yes, accusing people who refuse to help eradicate deadly childhood diseases of endangering others' children is a perfectly rational thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    I'll put it this way PVC, I know tons of people who get all their shots who get a lot sicker, a lot more often than members of my family who have not. I also know some un-immunized people who get sick a lot, and some immunized people who never get sick. The deciding factor does not seem to be whether or not they get immunized. People who never (or hardly ever) get sick in my experience, whether immunized or not are almost always the people who eat healthily, are active, and get lots of sleep.
    I really have not seen any significant difference between the immunized and the unimmunized.
    The most commonly experienced disease by far is the common cold, for which there is no vaccine. So, of course, both immunized people and non-immunized people are going to get sick in similar numbers. The fortunate thing is that the common cold is relatively harmless. How many immunized people do you know who are getting measles or rubella, or whooping cough? I'm guessing not a lot. As long as people like you are around, though, they'll still be here to infect children who are too young to be immunized, people with allergic reactions to vaccines, people for whom the vaccine doesn't prove effective, and of course folks like you who intentionally avoid immunization. And unfortunately, unlike the cold, these can be pretty deadly, meaning you may be making possible the deaths of people in any of those groups.

    I'll live a relatively healthy lifestyle and be clean, and I will probably end up being much less of a threat to anyone's children than a huge amount of those who are immunized who eat shit food, who aren't clean, etc, etc.
    Yeah, sloppier people may spread colds around more than you, and give people the sniffles. Somehow I'm not as concerned about that as I am the killer diseases you are a potential vector for.

    The science is not settled on vaccines, and while some vaccines seem completely harmless to take, others are not. One type is completely different than another. I will put nothing in my body until there are enough years of proven results, without large cases of bad side-effects, and there is a scientific consensus on the issue. That is not yet the case with many vaccines.
    The science is settled. You are waiting for a consensus that has already arrived, so you will presumably remain a danger to others for the rest of your life, for no good reason.

    Ajax

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