Actually, the real fringers are talking secession to "carve out? a country of their own liking or a civil war to take control of the country and establish a different government under a new (actually older and less "interpreted") version of the Constitution.
For those thinking along these lines, I do hope that they recall that, howevermuch the founders may have believed that it was the right of the people to "institute a new government," none of the founders thought that the people could do so without the old government fighting back. The right of the people to "keep and bear arms" was affirmed so as to permit them the possibility of so altering the government -- not to prevent them having to pay the price to effect such a change.
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