Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
I don't see how those situations are comparable. NK is remarkable in that it has one ally keeping it afloat. The three nations (and the island chain) you mention are in entirely different circumstances. Also, as messed-up as some countries are, none approach the level of top-down institutionalized hell on earth that NK has managed. I assert that NK is a unique and horrifying evil, reflected in history but unequalled in our times.


Not clear on how I'm doing that. The only people with real leverage on NK are the Chinese. So it's obvious that if we want changes to the nation of racist dwarfs, we need to negotiate with the Middle Kingdom. I hadn't really extended my hypothesis beyond that. In fact, I asked more-or-less, "What should we ask from the Chinese?"
Sure, but you started out with:

So what, if anything, should we be doing about it? Seems to this lemur that the only people with real leverage are the Chinese. Could we be be doing more to convince our friends in Beijing to do ... something? If so, what? If not, why? As the title of the thread states, history will judge us harshly. We know that something every bit as bad as the Holocaust is going on. Like the sign on the synagogue says, with unintentional irony, "Never again is now."
You shouldn't set up a question, open up for discussion, give your own hypothesis, and then assume we will all base our thinking around it solely.

I see plenty of reasons why to intervene without China, several ways too. I am sure they have beaches, and the Marine Corps are getting a little lazy.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that China should be a major player as it unfolds. But I don't agree that China must be.