Neo-nazis attempt to change their image. Cute!

[HoreTore]

You'll have to excuse me, this isn't very new to you americans. But we savages up here in the north lags a bit behind, wit takes a while before the cool stuff reaches us. From what I gather, this change occured in the US a couple of years ago, and it came here this christmas. The new propaganda angle of the neo-nazi's:



Apparently, they plan to argue that any immigration is "genocide against white people". Contrary to the european populist-right opinion that the problem is that immigrants(particularly muslims) choose to segrate and don't integrate. The neo-nazis flip that arund; to them the problem is that the immigrants assimilate into western society and DON'T form ghetto's.

Kinda cute.

Also, their new propaganda angle is to never mention either jews nor negative aspects/events/behaviour involving people of non-european(non-"white") origin. Instead, they plan to repeat the same mantra over and over again, that "immigration is genocide against whites".

I'll enjoy watching it crash and burn.

[HoreTore]

Ugh. Neo-Nazis. More common than you would think.

Oh come on, you have to love the cute white rabbit drawing they use! Adorable!

[Rhyfelwyr]

"Nobody is flooding Africa with non-Africans. Nobody is flooding Asia with non-Asians."

Well that's just comically stupid. I wonder why white Europeans aren't flooding into Africa, lol. Never mind the fact that parts of Africa have pretty large Asian populations that the British shifted over there.

"Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White". Again, no. Occasional misplaced guilt complexes aside, of course.

Immigration is of course not genocide either in its intent or effect.

All in all a ridiculous video.

But to avoid a boring consensus, I would share reservations about immigrants assimilating into Western cultures since it inevitably creates a melting pot that does destroy existing cultures, and I would rather not see that happen. It leads to moral relativism and all sorts of horrible things.

[Papewaio]

Culture = Food + language + social interactions.

If an Englishman likes a curry and a lager then 2 out 3 parts culture are already from the melting pot.

[HoreTore]

You're from the pacific northwest, GC?

Almost all the writings I've read about creating a "white nation" has that region as its aim. This indicates that the area has a larger than normal proportion of nazi's, or at least that the nazis there have superior organization. Can you confirm whether or not this is the case?

Also, they've infiltrated the Urban Dictionary. Sneaky bastards.

Rhy, Africa, at least the east coast, is experiencing something of an immigration wave from Asia; from the arabian peninsula, india and china. Considering that 7 of the 10 fastest growing economies of the world are located there, that's hardly surprising though.

[drone]

"Nobody is flooding Africa with non-Africans. Nobody is flooding Asia with non-Asians."

The last time whites flooded Africa, it didn't go so well for the Africans.

[HoreTore]

I only meant strong presence in proportion to other areas, GC, I never dreamed they would be of large enough numbers to actually have an impact on day-to-day life... That, I hope, is a thing of the past across all US states.

So, if I scale it back to something along the lines of "strong presence, but not as bad as certain other areas", would that be somwhat correct?

Also, wasn't the ariosophic brand of US neonazism based there? The ones who believe white people to be chosen by god etc...

[HoreTore]

Interesting read, GC.

Ariosophy is by far the most fascinating part of the neo-nazi world. If you like reading about the outrageously weird, I highly recommend it. It's a blend of alternative religion and nazism. Highly amusing stuff. The most recent is the Aryan Nations cult, which wrapped it up in a christian setting.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Also, wasn't the ariosophic brand of US neonazism based there? The ones who believe white people to be chosen by god etc...

I have never heard of ariosophy, but I am familiar with a white-supremacist belief system that is based on the idea that white people are God's chosen people (ie the real descendants of the ancient Israelites). Sometimes it's for all white people, sometimes just Anglo-Saxons (USA, UK etc), sometimes just British Protestants, sometimes just Ulster Protestants (depending on how particular they like to be I guess).

People that believe in this identify as 'British Israelites', apparently this is what 'Christian Identity' is in the USA. It seems to be a fringe UK far-right/Ulster loyalism thing. Funnily enough one guy I used to train with regularly at the gym had a tattoo of a swastika inside a Star of David, I kid not. Because on the one hand they identify with the white power thing, but then they also see themselves as the 'true' Israelites.

It's a pretty bizarre sub-culture.

[HoreTore]

Yeah, modern ariosophy is christian identity and british israelism taken even further into lala-land.

It started way back around 1900(with the Thule society and such), but has splintered into many factions now. Basically, it started by taking the theosophic teachings(elders living under the Himalayas, descendants from Atlantis, etc) and making it race-specific. Ie, the good side in theosophy is exclusively aryan, while the bad side consists of the other races, with the jews as the ultimate evil force. Today, it's been incorporated into either a christian or neo-pagan(nordic) setting,

So, yeah. Britishi Isrealites who communicate with Masters living under Himalaya, and being descendants from the master race who lived on Atlantis. With Jesus. Sums it up, pretty much.

[HoreTore]

Nazism in all its forms is just a reaction to percieved injustice. The original Nazis are a case in point. Modern Nazis are more likely to be troubled loners who found refuge with a group that had an idealogy. Not unlike a gang, or a cult. I've only met a few self-proclaimed neo-nazis who I think genuinely believed it.

That's confirmed by the "exit-program"(aptly named "Exit") employed by the police here when our local Nazi's started aggressive campaigning targetting young people(my age group at the time) for recruitment. Basically, they kept an eye on them, looking for new recruits. When they spotted a newcomer, they had quickly had a chat with their parents about the situation. That was all that was needed to turn people away from nazism, they just needed their parents to understand their difficulties, talk them over and figure out how to cope with life. The organization soon crumbled, and they're basically irrelevant even within the national neo-nazi movement now(they used to be the top dog).

I see the same thing with the groups of loons who have formed a new radical Islamic group(first of its kind), actually. All young, troubled adults with horrified parents. Employing the same method would fix it, methinks.

[Whacker]

In my experience, the worst place in the country (as far as the KKK goes, at least) is Kentucky. Ft. Knox was full of high-ranking Soldiers who openly proclaimed their racism. I never saw anything like it anywhere else.

I grew up in south-central Indiana. It was mind-numbing how much and how strong the KKK was in that area. The hicks in high school kinda sorta "laid claim" to the back row of parking spaces in the student parking lot that abutted the road. They ALL had huge, jacked up, rusty pick up trucks and they ALL flew full sized confederate flags from both sides of the bed, and left them there all day long. I later heard stories through friends about how strong the klan was locally and even more up north as one got closer to Indy. Pretty damn shameful, I knew from a very early age that I was never going to stay there, life experiences just served to cement that fact.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I see the same thing with the groups of loons who have formed a new radical Islamic group(first of its kind), actually. All young, troubled adults with horrified parents. Employing the same method would fix it, methinks.

Very true, in fact a while ago a UK politician (apologies for being vague) said this, and that Universities should keep an eye out for any young Asian guys that don't make friends or seem isolated etc - it just makes them so vulnerable to these types of groups.

For the ones who get into it because of the Prison system (which just sucks), they get the same treatment as any other gang.

I've seen a couple of documentaries on US prisons, and they seem a lot more violent and gang-ridden from what I've heard of UK ones. I don't know if this is somehow due to the massive prison population (thank you War on Drugs), but I could not think of a less constructive environment for helping people get back into society. Like I said I've only seen a couple of documentaries, but is it really that bad that to stay safe you have to join a racist-extremist gang/terrorist group?

I don't know what is supposed to be achieved putting people in there.

[HoreTore]

If the Police had gone after them aiming to prosecute, it would be illegal here too. The kind of actions done here, howeverm are more along the lines of the patrols they take around places where minors are known to get drunk. That's not a crime either, but taking care of people is well spent police time IMO.

If, say, they had sent undercover officers to infiltrate an organization to keep them under surveillance, that would be a clear breach of the law. Looking after people, on the other hand, isn't against the law. Thankfully.

[lars573]

Honestly, I can only speak for the western half of the state (since the East is just bleah) but I would say there is less of a presence than in most places. Its worth pointing out that the city of New York, New York has more than twice the population of our entire state (which is bigger than New York State, I believe). With that in mind, at the peak of the KKK's presence here, there were hundreds of thousands of members. So while I would actually say that neo-nazis have less of an impact here than in most parts of the country, that sentiment is still there, I'm sure. Especially when you consider that they teach the liberal party-line in school here--very, very politically correct--so it would not surprise me if there was a neo-nazi presence simply as a reaction to that. But I wasn't joking about anti-skinhead groups. Ever since the '80s, Portland has been rife with little vigilante groups who will find a skinhead and break his legs. So while Neo-Nazis may idealize this place from afar, the general sentiment is that we want no part of it.

Last time I heard of Nazi beaters was in high school. The Goth kids and metal heads had a little club. Makes me glad I grew up in the inner city in Nova Scotia like I did (and it's the only thing that does). Otherwise I could have ended up like my moms family (who are from New Brunswick). Specially her one sister that spouts some very unpleasant opinions about the more caramel and chocolate flavours of humanity. So much so that my mom gives her "I can't believe we came out of the same birth hole" looks all the time.

As for the ariosophic thingy, I don't even know what that means. KKK, Neo-Nazis, Skinheads, they're all the same thing to me. The only time I don't judge someone harshly for it is if they spent a long time in prison, and had to do it for protection. My neighbor would be a case in point for that--he's got a giant fucking Swastika on his Arm, and it took me forever to convince him that getting it covered up might be a good idea.

Or you could turn it into another symbol all together. Put dots inside each arm and a Vedic verse in Hindi underneath. Boom, Hindu symbol.

A case of me judging harshly would be this chick I dated in San Antonio: Gorgeous little blond, 5 feet tall, 100 lbs, and curves! God doesn't make em like that every day. Unfortunately, after a few weeks of dating, she let her inner nazi out and called one of my buddies (who was a Soldier, in uniform!) a Spic. She also had a little swastika tatoo'd behind her ear. So, this stuff is all over the place. You just have to watch out for it and not tolerate it.

So did you get rid of her by telling her you were converting to Judaism or had a black grand-parent? Because trolling haters is the best thing ever.

[lars573]

It takes a lot to think up swift brutal revenge on the spot. Specially if all you can think about is copulation when you look at her. But then that sets up the ultimation trollation, knock her up and then go "BTW hon I'm a Jew." Then sit back and watch the fireworks.

White supremacists and Neo-Nazi's bug the hell outta me. Being as Aryan as I am. I've seen people of African heritage look at me expecting disdain or derision, at least ill at ease. When they don't get it from me it puts them on the back foot. Racism is quite foreign to myself and my siblings. Given our upbringing.

[spankythehippo]

That picture they used where they had all the multicultural kids in a group photo had me laughing. They focused on the lone white kid, and made him look like a victim.

Heheheh. Neo-nazis are hilarious.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the song that they used made me want to punch a baby in the face. And not in a good way.

[Fragony]

That picture they used where they had all the multicultural kids in a group photo had me laughing. They focused on the lone white kid, and made him look like victim

Hate to bring it so I won't

[spankythehippo]

Hate to bring it so I won't

Oh you. Teasing me. Teeheehee.

[HoreTore]

The Washington Post has spotted the nonsense.

Read the comments section to see the waves of the brainless attempt to look smart. Quite fun.

[Fragony]

Oh you. Teasing me. Teeheehee.

Kinda hard, you live at the exact other end of the earth

[lars573]

Wish I could relate, but I can't lol. I'm a Scotch/Russian/German/French/Irish European Mongrel of Jewish descent on both sides, although you would probably have to go back generations to find a practicing jew. Even had a great-great-grandpa who was black. So white supremacists just make me laugh, since I obviously consider myself to be superior to them in every possible way (and I'm a dirty mongrel, right?).

Nazi's were big on breeding. And in animals mongrels are the best examples of any species, having the best genetic diversity. "Pure breds" are often the most mentally unstable and physically unfit examples. Having low genetic diversity.