Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio View Post
TR: one problem is that even while citing Biblical passages, you are presenting your own opinion. When approaching a verse one must decide whether it is literal, a metaphor, an allegory etc... Even if one takes a literal reading, the precise import is often unclear. Accepting the Bible as divinely inspired is all well and good, but how do you know whether your interpretation is correct?

What makes your opinion on these verses superior to Sigurd's or Rhyf's? Each of you favours different authorities outside of the Bible itself to supplement your argument: the others will probably not agree with the those authorities. But you cannot claim that you present manifest facts by citing a passage which you interpret in a particular way and dismiss alternative readings as 'opinion': to do so is facetious at best.

For any given text, historical, religious, or fictional, there are as many readings as there are readers.

true for sure, but given the passages sited i see no reason to take them any other way but literal,in fact what would they mean if not. But i really dont care of talking on mormons and if they are christian anymore,nothing to do with topic.


Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
I was not arguing for the Mormons having truth or Joseph Smith being a true prophet. I was arguing against your claim that they are not Christians. And I don't think you showed using the scriptures that Jesus was the last prophet. I am not saying that Joseph is one, but I can't see that there couldn't be any prophets after Christ. My argument was that if you believe the Bible to be 100% truth, then you must accept that the Apostles + Paulus was considered prophets in the early church. All lived after Jesus.
I am not intolerant of born agains, but I am intolerant of the fact that they spend time tearing down other denominations through their anti-literature. And Christians shouldn't support them by using what they wrote in their debate - at least not aquire these writings and distribute them. Had I been a man of faith - I would have called these things devil-born, inspired by the evil one himself.

There are wolfs in sheep clothing among you... and it doesn't take long to ferret them out. You just need to hint to certain inflamed issues, and all hell breaks loose.
i care not to talk of mormons anymore, i will say this last. they are completely diffident religion not a different denomination,the rest just shows again your bigotry and not wanting to see the truth of who/what Mormons are.



Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
@totar relism: Surely Jesus can't be the last prophet when revelation talks about the two prophets in the end times?

In fact, what about Paul's comments:

"Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith (Romans 12:6)"

Granted there might be some subtlety that has been lost in translation, I wouldn't know.

great point sir,but who are the two witnesses? are they not Moses and Elijah?. They are not new sent, they are old returning. Also surely you would not claim this refers to jospeh smith?.


yes many gift given to some,not new prophet scripture added as mormons have done.