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TR... I will not be able to provide you with links to sources on the internet for my claims. Most of it comes from literature way before the internet. Mostly are books written by scholars from different denominations. People that devoted a life time to the study of these things. I just think it too sad that they are no longer with us to withstand the flow of this age's Arianism, Adoptionism, Docetism, Monarchiansim, Monothelitism or Gnosticism. Which I believe is the result of an unchecked evolution of the protestant movement. There are no body of Protestantism that can dictate or claim divine ruling on dogma or doctrine. With no such authoritative clergy - anyone can go in any direction or interpretation of the canon, establish a church and lay down dogma to be followed and claim that all other denominations are an abomination to God.

I have spent 2 decades in the middle of this and have discussed (debated) with many followers of such. What I found was that the evangelists (I need to put some sort of umbrella on them) lack a common doctrinal foundation. The diversity of opinions on basic doctrine like salvation is astonishing. Rhyfelwyr, our resident ultra protestant, understood immediately the nuance of the different salvations. And I believe it is because he actually has talked to people with different opinions on this specific topic. I have met people from the same church or denomination which had 3 different views on a simple single doctrine. Where is a Paul when needed? Someone who can say: you are wrong - this is what God's opinion on this matter is.

To spout Dan Brown on me is just sad and desperate bad form. I am disappointed.


Definition of a prophet: A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.

You claim Jesus was the last one? I guess we can just throw out the NT then, since it was written without divine inspiration by men, not having prophetic gifts.
Peter, James, John, Luke, Matthew, Mark and Paul were just making stuff up if they were not directly quoting Jesus. This is the consequence of what you are claiming...

Besides, whether Joseph Smith was a prophet or not has nothing to do with the claim of being Christians or not (Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus).


i agree 100% with your first paragraph. that is why just because Mormons Jehovah witness claim to be true christian does not make them.



second, i agree as well, people dont read bible much anymore and instead listen to what others tell them to believe, very very dangerous. You sound like my pastor lol.



but if i remember right your claim was their are books that should be in bible that are not, there gospels, all i can say from watching debates/responses are they are not included for clear reasons.



jesus was last prophet sent, yes i claim because i believe what the bible says on the issue. If your not aware the nt was written by apostles of jesus about jesus, the last prophet. The bible again claims and jesus that the disciples had [and i believe] divine inspiration. So no one was making anything up as you claim.


just what Joseph smith contradicts was my point. As you pointed out yourself first paragraphs, people can change, believe, and say anything, that does not make it so.