So, I was walking down the street in the grimy part of Redfern today. Out of nowhere, a hobo runs up to me from across the street and starts screaming at me to take my shirt off and burn it. At first, I was incredibly confused. Then I looked at my shirt. It was a Slayer shirt. I look at him and I can see a ragged kippeh and remnants of his peyot.
Turns out, the only Slayer song he knows is Angel of Death, and believes that I'm anti-Semitic. These are the lyrics of the song, and it's about Josef Mengele.
Auschwitz, the meaning of pain The way that I want you to die Slow death, immense decay Showers that cleanse you of your life Forced in Like cattle You run Stripped of Your life's worth Human mice, for the angel of death Four hundred thousand more to die
Angel of death Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Sadistic, surgeon of demise Sadist of the noblest blood Destroying, without mercy To benefit the aryan race
Surgery, with no anesthesia Feel the knife pierce you intensely Inferior, no use to mankind Strapped down screaming out to die
Angel of death Monarch to the kingdom of the dead Infamous butcher, Angel of death
Pumped with fluid, inside your brain Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes Burning flesh, drips away Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil Frigid cold, cracks your limbs How long can you last In this frozen water burial? Sewn together, joining heads Just a matter of time 'til you rip yourselves apart Millions laid out in their Crowded tombs Sickening ways to achieve The holocaust
Seas of blood, bury life Smell your death as it burns Deep inside of you Abacinate, eyes that bleed Praying for the end of Your wide awake nightmare Wings of pain, reach out for you His face of death staring down, Your blood running cold Injecting cells, dying eyes Feeding on the screams of The mutants he's creating Pathetic harmless victims Left to die Rancid angel of death Flying free
(leads: hanneman, king, hanneman, king, hanneman)
Angel of death Monarch to the kingdom of the dead Infamous butcher, Angel of death
Angel of death
The absurdity of the situation made me burst out laughing, which only infuriated him more. So I walked away, while he was standing on the pavement, screaming that I was committing sacrilege.
Given the very hostile religious climate in the Backroom, I thought I'd post this to remind us of how ridiculous religion is.
Well now I've been reminded of now ridiculous religion is.
Whoops. I didn't mention why the hobo made religion look ridiculous.
He was yelling about how the Zionists control the world, and how Jews made the world what it is, and how the Jews are superior. I don't look Jewish, so he used the fact I wore a Slayer shirt to tell me how inferior I am. He said, and I quote, "Hashem will sort out scum like you. WHEN YOU'RE DEAD! YOU WILL DIE! AND I'LL MAKE SURE YOU MEET HASHEM!" That's what made me laugh. In my defence, I'd also like to say, that I was under the influence of certain substances. So I'm not quite sure if it happened at all. It seemed very real to me. But that could just mean I get some really good hash.
To sum it all up, I had a good trip down Stoner Avenue and laughed at a crazed religious hobo. That's why religion is ridiculous, because I'm high.
EDIITL I don;t think I'll remember making this. So I apologise in advance for not using evidence. That's for you PVC and total realisticism.
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If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat
"Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur
I do not believe so. I think you are failing to account for a God-like appreciation of humor.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat
"Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
The best music is usually offensive to someone, somehow, some way. Especially when the subject matter makes them too uncomfortable to pay proper attention.
Yeah - but you can write a metal song about the horrors of the Holocaust without being a dick about it, if that Song is about how horrible a particular Nazi is that should be in the chorus. Lyrically speaking, you let the monster have free rein in the verse and you flay him in the chorus because that's how it has worked since the Greeks were doing it.
Just shows Slayer can't write, really. I find that offensive as a metal fan, never mind on a humanitarian level.
I'm not a fan of what I consider "junk" metal which seems calibrated primarily to offend someone.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Yeah - but you can write a metal song about the horrors of the Holocaust without being a dick about it, if that Song is about how horrible a particular Nazi is that should be in the chorus. Lyrically speaking, you let the monster have free rein in the verse and you flay him in the chorus because that's how it has worked since the Greeks were doing it.
Just shows Slayer can't write, really. I find that offensive as a metal fan, never mind on a humanitarian level.
I'm not a fan of what I consider "junk" metal which seems calibrated primarily to offend someone.
Not sure it was meant to offend, but I find it a bit pathetic. Just like a lot of rappers shockrock is as cool as a kilo of sprouts imho
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Yeah - but you can write a metal song about the horrors of the Holocaust without being a dick about it, if that Song is about how horrible a particular Nazi is that should be in the chorus. Lyrically speaking, you let the monster have free rein in the verse and you flay him in the chorus because that's how it has worked since the Greeks were doing it.
Just shows Slayer can't write, really. I find that offensive as a metal fan, never mind on a humanitarian level.
I'm not a fan of what I consider "junk" metal which seems calibrated primarily to offend someone.
When I listen to music, I listen to the music not the lyrics. If I wanted mental nourishment, I would read something like Tolstoy. Slayer's music is brilliant. Also, I'd like to point out that Tom Araya is Catholic, and doesn't condone any of their lyrics. Angel of Death is like a gorey movie, really sick but in the end, it's entertainment.
I admit to having bands on my iPod with incredibly offensive names, just to see people's expressions when they browse through my iPod. And many of those bands have incredible music, in my opinion.
Ok, my best one is incredibly offensive, do not open it unless you want to be offended. Im serious.
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Whats the difference between a Jew and a pizza?
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Pizzas dont scream when they are put in the oven.
A rabbi I know told me that one.
Obligatory edit: I'm Jewish so I think I get a pass on this one. If you arent Jewish, I would advise not saying this joke.
Please don't ban me.
Laughter is inherently good. The absence of jokes is what shows hatred, not the existence of the jokes. The nature of the joke plays a part too of course, it needs to be a real joke(punchline etc), not just hate said to be a joke. Still, a little caution is advised with Auschwitz jokes. My grandfather died there.
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He died after falling down from the watchtower...
But having said that, jokes about 9/11 are not funny. They're just plane wrong.
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Laughter is inherently good. The absence of jokes is what shows hatred, not the existence of the jokes. The nature of the joke plays a part too of course, it needs to be a real joke(punchline etc), not just hate said to be a joke. Still, a little caution is advised with Auschwitz jokes. My grandfather died there.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
He died after falling down from the watchtower...
But having said that, jokes about 9/11 are not funny. They're just plane wrong.
For now perhaps, but I heard a few really good ones. Being plane wrong is one of them
There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?
There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?
There's a fine line between laughing with someone and laughing at someone. When a joke is considered offensive, the offended person would feel like they are being laughed at, even if there is no malicious intent. Due to this, comedy that was once considered observational becomes hurtful.
However, there are certain jokes that don't make fun of someone, but hurt someone's sensibilities. Jokes about abortions, rape, murder, paedophilia etc. are considered taboo, even if the majority of the population has never experienced any of those things. This, if thought about long enough, seems absurd. "Why am I feeling bad about a joke on abortions?". It all boils down to empathy. "How would I feel if I had an abortion?" This makes people feel uncomfortable. Really uncomfortable.
I was with a bunch of friends in a pub, and we were talking quite loudly. We were all joking about random stuff that wasn't worth remembering. When the topic of abortion was brought up, a friend of mine said, "An abortion is not a right, it's a meal." Now, I found that funny. But a lot of onlookers seemed really uncomfortable. To ease the tension, I said "I have an abortion in my pants every time I look at Christina Hendricks." Then the abortion joke was quickly forgotten, because of the bad after-taste it left in people minds. After something that distasteful, any other joke seems funny i.e. tasty. It's like eating crap, followed by ice cream. I remembered that abortion joke, because it was sooo off-coloured, it was worth remembering.
I have two quotes from the great Reginald D. Hunter
"How do you come to a comedy show, and not suspect that the motherfucka on stage might be joking."
And regarding a joke he did about rape, he said...
"I notice some of you didn't laugh at that joke. And some of the people that didn't laugh at that joke, didn't laugh because they feel that certain pieces of subject matter should not be available to comedy. So to show their disapproval, they withheld their laughter. But take it from us that did laugh, it was fucking funny."
Minorities don't accept other people using slurs in humour because of how it has been used in history or if the person using the slur fits a certain stereotype. If a Southern truck driver from Louisiana used slurs, but with good humour, it would be taken out of context, even if he had meant no harm and was jovial about it. If you contrast this with a minority using their own slur, they feel like they have the right to use it, because it belongs to them.
It is possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line, if the minority stops being sensitive.
I'll use an example. I heard a very Southern elderly comedian commenting on the size of a black guy's penis. He was almost praising it. And everyone laughed, including the black people. Penis size is a positive stereotype. But if he made a joke about lynching, he would be booed off stage, if not attacked after the show.
All of these reasons are why I embrace all types of comedy. I don't find anything offensive. Life is too short to be offended all the time.
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There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?
It's probably possible when middle class white people stop drawing the line, and getting offended on behalf of others.
There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?
That is an excellent question.
I think it has to do with the fact that its a shared experience by that group that allows them and not others to say offensive slurs related to that experience. And its seen in all minorities. I work with black people and Mexicans and they are always ripping on their own people for one thing or another. Granted there will be inter-minority slurs going on (all good in good nature, from what I can tell), but Ive noticed that it never includes the white people who work with me. I think thats because there such a negative stigma (and rightly so) about white people saying racial slurs, even in jest- a very "us versus them" mentality among minorities. I seem to be less included in this group (they do joke around with me- its awesome) because Im technically a minority as well, though I refrain from making any slurs that dont have to do with Jews or being white, as I actually like my coworkers and I dont want to strain any relationship I have with them.
Many years ago a socially clueless white coworker of mine in a summer job (he was also kinda young, maybe 13 years old) heard my black coworkers calling each other a very derogatory name and somehow decided it was ok for him to say it too. Lets just say that it didnt go over too well. He was later fired because we caught him stealing office supplies.
Hell, its even in the military. I see it all the time with the prior service cadets. But once someone who has zero experience in the military tries to say something derogatory about the military, even in jest, the veterans turn on the civilian as the civilian is going off of stereotypes or second/third hand experiences.
Same goes with Holocaust jokes. My ancestors suffered through something terrible. We will never fully get over it. We cant. Its too ingrained in our history, its way too recent. We can live with the pain forever, or we can grow, learn, and laugh from it. I think laughing at it is a bigger insult to the Nazis than being so frickin somber about it. One day a year (this year it was April 8th) we silence our jokes and laughter to immerse ourselves in the tragedy. That is when we learn. Then we grow and laugh, as a society which cannot laugh at itself is dead.
I was accosted by a Jewish hobo today...
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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
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