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    That only proves that 41% of "small businesses" are cheap. It is a well-known fact that small business and large businesses have used the economic climate as an excuse for predatory hiring practices. Crying wolf and cutting costs, that's all they're doing.
    They're not hiring because of increased regulatory burden from our government. Whatever subjective personal views you wish to attach to it are immaterial to the fact that they're not hiring. As both parties seem fond of pointing out, small businesses account for most of our employment. If 41% have stopped hiring and 19% have reduced staffing due to government action.... that's a problem.
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    small businesses account for most of our employment.
    It doesn't matter how many politicians like to say that, it still isn't true.

    Big government and big business are responsible for employment in the US and all other industrialized countries. Also, the US defines "small business" as up to 500 employees... Not exactly your neighborhood bar, now is it?

    Pure rhetoric, no substance. Capitalism acting as it usually does.


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    Default Re: Will Obamacare succeed where term limits failed?

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    Big government and big business are responsible for employment in the US and all other industrialized countries. Also, the US defines "small business" as up to 500 employees... Not exactly your neighborhood bar, now is it?

    Seriously? Lol...

    Businesses are only considered "small" here when they have less than 50 employees and a maximum turnover of 10 million. I think the same norm is used throughout the EU.

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    the US defines "small business" as up to 500 employees
    Isn't 50-500 defined as "medium"?
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    So says you and them. From the point of view of people trying to get and keep minimum wage jobs, it is pure exploitation. It is actually more profitable to be a community college student and survive on student loans than it is to attempt to get and keep a job that pays a living wage. The problem is the attitude of the employers, and the attitude of the country towards a failed system. These businesses aren't victims, they're assholes.
    What are you talking about? So says me? It's not a problem if 41% of small businesses have stopped hiring?

    Please explain. You've got plenty of rhetoric in there, now add some substance to it.
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    It's the same deal with unpaid internships. Businesses spin government regulations as "Now we can't train the next generation of workers" When in reality they are just frustrated that they no longer have free labor anymore.


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    It's the same deal with unpaid internships. Businesses spin government regulations as "Now we can't train the next generation of workers" When in reality they are just frustrated that they no longer have free labor anymore.
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    And H1-Bs.
    I'm afraid I don't understand. H1-B is an immigrant visa?


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    I'm afraid I don't understand. H1-B is an immigrant visa?
    Companies are using them to depress wages in tech fields. They post job openings with crazy weird requirements, say no one is qualified when no matches are found, then push for more H1-B slots so they can hire an indentured servant on the cheap.
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    Yeah, listened to an interview about this on the radio, manufacturer complaining that he couldn't get good robotics integration specialists. So I thought, "Wow, that's sad, I hope lots of kids are studying robotics in school."

    Then he's pressed a bit, admits he doesn't' want to pay more than $10–$12 per hour, and doesn't see why he should pay more, and that's why he can't find his specialists. Yeah, by all means, let's get him some visas and some cheap labor.

    Grrrrrrrr.

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