[Request for Permission] For use of siege equipment for RTRVII submod

[Kull]

Compared to you guys, I am on the other end of spectrum. If you want to use anything of mine, great, just give me credit and obviously don't try to charge people for it. No permission required. All that being said, my mod was "locked" in the WC3 scene because if an author didn't lock their mod, there would be 14,338 clones of the mod within an hour where people change one tiny thing and then slap their name on it and don't give me any credit. However, everything I've shared I've allowed people to use without permission, I just ask for credit.

Bolded to highlight the difference between a mod created by one person and one created by a team of people. If 35 of 40 people in EB feel exactly as you do, should we tell the other five, "too bad - we don't care what you think"? Or try to establish rules in which the content created by some people is "free to all" whereas content created by others is subject to rules? Insanity. So instead we look at each request and give interested team members the opportunity to weigh in for or against. And the usual result is we allow it.

That has nothing to do with "hubris" and everything to do with the respect we grant to the artists, historians, and modders who give - FOR FREE - their talents to this project so that others might have fun and learn something in the process.

[fallen851]

Bolded to highlight the difference between a mod created by one person and one created by a team of people. If 35 of 40 people in EB feel exactly as you do, should we tell the other five, "too bad - we don't care what you think"? Or try to establish rules in which the content created by some people is "free to all" whereas content created by others is subject to rules? Insanity. So instead we look at each request and give interested team members the opportunity to weigh in for or against. And the usual result is we allow it.

That has nothing to do with "hubris" and everything to do with the respect we grant to the artists, historians, and modders who give - FOR FREE - their talents to this project so that others might have fun and learn something in the process.

Nothing that you said has changes the fact this is all about hubris.

And has everything to do with hubris. You call it "respect", I call it hubris. Let's take a look at why denying people the right to use resources isn't about respect, it is about hubris.

Listen man, we've all worked hard (I spent two years, alone working on Coming of the Horde, my WC3 mod, and then spent years after supporting it), and we all want to be respected and given credit for our achievements and the things we've work so hard - FOR FREE - to accomplish. But that respect and credit doesn't come from denying the right of others to use the great stuff you've created. It doesn't. And it doesn't matter if your on a team or alone. It doesn't. The respect comes from within. I'm incredibly proud of what I accomplished. I don't need anyone to tell me what I did was great. I know I made one of the best WC3 mods, and had it not hit the scene so late, it would have been bigger. Nothing anyone says or does can change that.

And frankly, the idea that you could deny someone the right to use something, stinks of hubris. It isn't a form of respect, it isn't form of credit. It's just someone being a spoiled brat and judging someone else's mod with an elitist tint saying "well you certainly cannot use my fine work... (insert elitist reason here)". It is disrespectful, hurts other modders, and hurts the people who enjoy the mods. And that's the end of the story. The only thing protected by denying people the right to use a resource, is someones pride.

Now I believe we are just going to have to agree to disagree here. And that is fine. Modders are proud people, but like I said, they need to get over themselves.

[V.T. Marvin]

Permission was granted as it was requested. This thread has fulfilled its reason.

And my thanks to "the man, the myth, the legend" for his kindness and sincere wish for success of his submod.

[Kull]

Nothing that you said has changes the fact this is all about hubris.

No finer example can be found then the attitudes expressed in your post:

hu·bris
/ˈ(h)yo͞obris/
noun
noun: hubris
1.
excessive pride or self-confidence. synonyms: arrogance, conceit, haughtiness, hauteur, pride, self-importance, egotism, pomposity, superciliousness, superiority.