Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union unified command?

[Flavius Aetius]

Nooo, we are much better of having everyday citizens being spied upon by you. We love how you control the worlds monetary system, and keep it from crashing.

Do you REALLY expect an applause?

Well that's an infantile understanding of international banking and economics as a whole.

[Kadagar_AV]

You can't have it both ways. Are we the evil USAnian empire who secretly plots to destroy your privacy and usurp your independence, or are we the keystone of your defense?

It must be hard to have pride in yourselves in this situation, so its not like I don't sympathize with your constant need to play down how one-sided our support actually is.

As I previously noted, you are the school yard bully of international politics, we are his friend.

Can't we have it a little bit in both ways, then? Like, taking advantage of all the idiocy and weakness that is going around?

[Kadagar_AV]

Well that's an infantile understanding of international banking and economics as a whole.

No.

Quite simply no.

We have had a clash of monetary suggestions for millenniums.

You, on the other hand, seem to accept the view of us being in the "historical end of monetary systems". I Quite frankly don't support that view.

I am quite certain that there must be a way to make every single person be able to have a job, have enough to eat, and have dreams.

You oppose this?

[Kadagar_AV]

If we're a bully, why is leaving a bad idea? Unless you simply don't want to deal with the security vacuum..

If left on his own, the school yard bully would make life to hard on the other kids, and they would eventually gang up.

Supported, there is no problem.

What are you arguing against here? I have noted Europe is the Robin to the US Batman.

You are of course right that very many non-western countries would go bananas without the umbrella of civilization that is the western world. MY point however is - do you really want to drop Europe?

[Kadagar_AV]

I think we have a a nation of 300 million people in need of our full attention, social issues that require deep commitment, economic issues that involve the need for unpairing economic growth from military expansion. I think the global force, not just Europe but the entire military all over the world, needs scaling back before we hollow ourselves out completely for the sake of something as subjective and superfluous as playing world police. I hope we're always friendly with Europe, but for crissakes you guys are ahead of us on a lot of issues. You don't need us anymore, you want us, and we have had a lot of trouble saying no. We should be pushing hard for a Europe that treats Russia like the middling threat it is, without crying for support.

So... That is kind of what I said, no?

I think the US biggest dilemma is functional schools and healthcare. Make sure everyone can to to school for 12-14 years at the very least. Make sure they can have a hand operation without giving up a kidney.

THIS is what the western world should be about. No?

On the other hand, we could just arm up farmers and young sons and send them off to fight.

Because that is also obviously a way to make humanity reach forwards.

[Flavius Aetius]

No.

Quite simply no.

We have had a clash of monetary suggestions for millenniums.

You, on the other hand, seem to accept the view of us being in the "historical end of monetary systems". I Quite frankly don't support that view.

I am quite certain that there must be a way to make every single person be able to have a job, have enough to eat, and have dreams.

You oppose this?

What are you even ranting about. You said that the US controls the monetary systems of the international community. I responded, correctly, that what you posited is an infantile, i.e. incorrect and uninformed, understanding of how international banking works and that such a belief denotes a weak understanding of general economics.

I am quite certain that there must be a way to make every single person be able to have a job, have enough to eat, and have dreams.

You oppose this?

No one opposes this concept you loon. But no it is not possible for everyone to have maximum utility. In fact your three pillars of a "good economic system" do not even have the same utility for other people as they do for you. And just so you know, no economy with even an inkling of a free market and that includes Scandinavia EVER plans on having unemployment reach 0%. I hate to break it to you but it is not good for an economy to have full employment, in fact it would denote catastrophic occurrences going on within the economy.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...I think the originator of your love for stupidly expensive millitary programs is less NATO membership and more your politicians owning the companies recieving the stupidly expensive millitary contracts...

I think you have the ownership statement reversed.

[Kadagar_AV]

What are you even ranting about. You said that the US controls the monetary systems of the international community. I responded, correctly, that what you posited is an infantile, i.e. incorrect and uninformed, understanding of how international banking works and that such a belief denotes a weak understanding of general economics.



No one opposes this concept you loon. But no it is not possible for everyone to have maximum utility. In fact your three pillars of a "good economic system" do not even have the same utility for other people as they do for you. And just so you know, no economy with even an inkling of a free market and that includes Scandinavia EVER plans on having unemployment reach 0%. I hate to break it to you but it is not good for an economy to have full employment, in fact it would denote catastrophic occurrences going on within the economy.

I am the loon?

If we don't strive for a society where everyone have maximum utility, not to mention a job - what is the point?

Remind me again, what are we striving for?

I totally agree that the capitalistic system we currently historically work under refuse that line of thought. All I stress is that, well, that isn't the only line of thought.

If we can put a man on the moon, I am sure we can also feed our population.

[Flavius Aetius]

What is utility Kadagar?

have maximum utility, not to mention a job

Because when you say this it makes me question if you and I are both talking about the same thing here.

[Kadagar_AV]

What is utility Kadagar?



Because when you say this it makes me question if you and I are both talking about the same thing here.

Do you ask about utility or maximum utility?

I responded to your use of "maximum utility". And yes, of course I think every human being have the same right to reach their absolute maximum utility to society.

I of course agree that not all are born equal. My point is that we should build a society where we can adhere to that fact... Without sending people to gas chambers OR set quotas to let unqualified people in.

[drone]

Heck, even the Germans nowadays would applaud your effort had you done that. As it is, you only stepped in when you got scared that Europe would turn communistic. Remember how we opened this particular debate about US / Soviet front lines?

We stepped in when Germany declared war on us, after Pearl Harbor. If you are going to highlight our foot-dragging, at least get it right.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

We stepped in when Germany declared war on us, after Pearl Harbor. If you are going to highlight our foot-dragging, at least get it right.

Though we had been warring against Germany on an unofficial basis for about 6 or so months prior to Pearl. Still, Roosevelt probably wouldn't have got a DoW through Congress absent Germany's DoW.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

If we can put a man on the moon, I am sure we can also feed our population.

We already can and do. Food production exceeds that needed to feed the world. Logistics and Politics combine to keep it from some mouths. Nobody is starving in Syria because the world won't feed them, same with Sudan, etc.

[HopAlongBunny]

It seems NATO is an on-going referendum.
If Europe wanted to break ties with the US they would have already replaced it.
If the US wanted to save the coin and stay at home, they would have already done it.

As it is, both sides have voted to continue the relationship.