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    Default Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Simple question. I suspect the answer won't be so obvious.
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Why not? Or to put it another way: they get to keep them because they have them.
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    rvg's answer is correct.

    Now, for the technicality buffs:

    Israel is not "known" to have nuclear weaponry. Unlike virtually every other entity to have developed them, it has made no "we got da bomb" announcement. They have stated that they will not be the first to "introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East" -- whatever that bit of persiflage means.


    Who knows, maybe the "President's Book of Secrets" lets each new CinC know that it has always been a hoax put together by Golda and RN to help Israel deter their opponents....
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    rvg's answer is correct.

    Now, for the technicality buffs:

    Israel is not "known" to have nuclear weaponry. Unlike virtually every other entity to have developed them, it has made no "we got da bomb" announcement. They have stated that they will not be the first to "introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East" -- whatever that bit of persiflage means.
    I think what it means is that the French were the first to introduce them into the Middle East.

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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Why will Iran get to keep theirs? Why does North Korea get to keep theirs?
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Along with India and Pakistan, Israel never signed the NPT. They get to do what they want, they just get excluded from the non-weapon benefits of the treaty. North Korea signed it, then pulled out using Clause X, although they were probably working on weapons prior to giving notice. Iran is still a signatory, hence the hand-wringing from the West about the state of their nuclear program.

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    So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye? Let's say that the newly made independent republic of Durkastan decides to make them right now. Nothing official of course, but it's known. Will anyone even act? What's the point in making the other signees not proliferate the nukes if Joe TinPott can make them?
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

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    So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye?
    Yeah, that's how treaties usually work: if you didn't sign the treaty, you're not a subject to its restrictions.
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye? Let's say that the newly made independent republic of Durkastan decides to make them right now. Nothing official of course, but it's known. Will anyone even act? What's the point in making the other signees not proliferate the nukes if Joe TinPott can make them?
    I wouldn't say "no one bats an eye", but it does depend on the geopolitical situation of the time. North Korea pulled out and built weapons, but they were protected by China and have a gun pointed at Seoul's head, so nothing happened. Look at the diplomatic wranglings that went on when India and Pakistan armed up.

    If the new People's Republic of Durkastan wants nukes, they can make them. However, the treaty forbids signatories from exchanging knowledge and material with non-signatories, so Durkastan will need to do the research, build reactors and enrichment facilities, mine it's own uranium, and pretty much start from scratch which costs an enormous amount of time and money.
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye? Let's say that the newly made independent republic of Durkastan decides to make them right now. Nothing official of course, but it's known. Will anyone even act? What's the point in making the other signees not proliferate the nukes if Joe TinPott can make them?
    I'm sure people bat an eye but what else are they gonna do? ^^

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