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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Along with India and Pakistan, Israel never signed the NPT. They get to do what they want, they just get excluded from the non-weapon benefits of the treaty. North Korea signed it, then pulled out using Clause X, although they were probably working on weapons prior to giving notice. Iran is still a signatory, hence the hand-wringing from the West about the state of their nuclear program.

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    So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye? Let's say that the newly made independent republic of Durkastan decides to make them right now. Nothing official of course, but it's known. Will anyone even act? What's the point in making the other signees not proliferate the nukes if Joe TinPott can make them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye?
    Yeah, that's how treaties usually work: if you didn't sign the treaty, you're not a subject to its restrictions.
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    I would keep them

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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Because Jews.



    Is that the answer the OP is asking for...?
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Because Jews.



    Is that the answer the OP is asking for...?

    Oh come now, your grammar in English is better than this!
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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    I think America should invade because Israel has WMDs.

    The answer of course, is that they get to keep them because noone wants to take them away, and not everyone could take them away either because they might use them if someone tried.


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    Default Re: Why does Israel get to keep its nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye? Let's say that the newly made independent republic of Durkastan decides to make them right now. Nothing official of course, but it's known. Will anyone even act? What's the point in making the other signees not proliferate the nukes if Joe TinPott can make them?
    I wouldn't say "no one bats an eye", but it does depend on the geopolitical situation of the time. North Korea pulled out and built weapons, but they were protected by China and have a gun pointed at Seoul's head, so nothing happened. Look at the diplomatic wranglings that went on when India and Pakistan armed up.

    If the new People's Republic of Durkastan wants nukes, they can make them. However, the treaty forbids signatories from exchanging knowledge and material with non-signatories, so Durkastan will need to do the research, build reactors and enrichment facilities, mine it's own uranium, and pretty much start from scratch which costs an enormous amount of time and money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    So if you haven't signed, you can make them? And no one bats an eye? Let's say that the newly made independent republic of Durkastan decides to make them right now. Nothing official of course, but it's known. Will anyone even act? What's the point in making the other signees not proliferate the nukes if Joe TinPott can make them?
    I'm sure people bat an eye but what else are they gonna do? ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp4 View Post
    I'm sure people bat an eye but what else are they gonna do? ^^
    Once a country has nuclear arms, removing them really isn't an option... That's the reason you get nuclear arms in the first place: it simply means no-one can push you around anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Once a country has nuclear arms, removing them really isn't an option... That's the reason you get nuclear arms in the first place: it simply means no-one can push you around anymore.
    To be fair, the power of the payload and the delivery method said country can realistically achieve probably has a lot to do with just how much they can get away with. Best Korea has very weak payloads that can't even cover the center of NYC and their missiles are pathetic.

    A single nuclear sub loaded with a MIRV with 6 hydrogen bomb payloads is more frightening than some of the weaker nuclear powers.

    The problem with Best Korea is that, theoretically, Kim Jong Un can get his crappy little nukes next door to the Korea that everybody loves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    The problem with Best Korea is that, theoretically, Kim Jong Un can get his crappy little nukes next door to the Korea that everybody loves.
    And the fact that NK's neighbors like China and Russia really don't want the headache of dealing with nuclear fallout on their borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    And the fact that NK's neighbors like China and Russia really don't want the headache of dealing with nuclear fallout on their borders.
    His his nukes are so weaksauce that the fallout will be insignificant. Unless he blows up a nuclear power plant with it or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    And the fact that NK's neighbors like China and Russia really don't want the headache of dealing with nuclear fallout on their borders.
    Given the wind patterns, wouldn't Japan and the US to a lesser extent get the worst fallout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    To be fair, the power of the payload and the delivery method said country can realistically achieve probably has a lot to do with just how much they can get away with. Best Korea has very weak payloads that can't even cover the center of NYC and their missiles are pathetic.

    A single nuclear sub loaded with a MIRV with 6 hydrogen bomb payloads is more frightening than some of the weaker nuclear powers.

    The problem with Best Korea is that, theoretically, Kim Jong Un can get his crappy little nukes next door to the Korea that everybody loves.
    I'm sure that doesn't really matter. They're nukes. How crap or how not crap they are is unimportant. I guess no one wants them shot at anything that isn't a deserted island where they can test them.

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