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    Should only be 4-8 years from now when corporations are given the right to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    Should only be 4-8 years from now when corporations are given the right to vote.
    I don’t see the need for that. They already have the right to buy their very own members of government.

    What will voting get them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    I don’t see the need for that. They already have the right to buy their very own members of government.

    What will voting get them?
    Cheaper politicians. Why spend so much in bribescampaign funds when you can just vote in a guy that will do your bidding for less.
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    Something about China and hypocrisy, but that's not really a strong case unless - what's China's legislation, if any, on healthcare vis-a-vis local employees and foreign employers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    Should only be 4-8 years from now when corporations are given the right to vote.
    A corporation already does vote via it's members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    A corporation already does vote via it's members.
    No, the members have one discrete vote each. But think of the glorious possibilities when the board/shareholders can cast a vote as a whole for the corporation!
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    A business should not pay a dime for health insurance. They should be taxed.

    We always talk about how deep "big business" has sunk its claws in to our decision making process. Tell them the government will tax them less than what they currently pay in health costs.

    Remember kids, socialized medicine only works if your a veteran (well maybe not) or a senator. Other than that, you are an affront to America and a probably lesbian.
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    ****, Strike beat me to this. Stop giving corporations all these responsibilities over health care so we don't have to deal with this obnoxious effort to cut down costs by granting the company every individual exemption under the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    But the only reason we have to do these healthcare workarounds is because these very businesses have made it impossible to exercise the popular will on universal healthcare. Deep claws indeed, without exaggeration.
    I would think companies would rather be done with the notion that have to provide health care at all. It is only insurance companies that are at risk from a universal health care system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    No, the members have one discrete vote each. But think of the glorious possibilities when the board/shareholders can cast a vote as a whole for the corporation!
    How about we give everyone, individual and corporation alike, the suffrage....but we base the value of your on your taxes paid. Each $1k gets you one vote. Wonder if corporations would tax dodge less....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    I agree with the majority decision. Providing some form of compensation to employees equivalent to that which would have been spent on this aspect of a healthcare package, thus allowing them to purchase their own coverage for this seems a more reasonable route. Employees retain the option to vote with their feet and work for firms that do not so restrict coverage.
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    Default Re: Hobby Lobby Case decided

    I, of course, agree with the decision. Like 20-30% of SCOTUS decisions; One law in conflict with another, one side emerges victorious as a result of Anthony Kennedy.
    I should probably read it myself as supreme court decisions are notorious for being vague and settling very little.
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