Should I go to this political rally, as democrat?

[Pannonian]

This isn't a political party.

These are straight-up nazis. Not some of them. All of them.

This isn't a party who is just more opposed to immigration than others. These guys are proper nazis, they go straight to genetics. The first point in their party program states clearly that they will only allow genetical swedes to reside in Sweden. No filthy adopted kids, no dirty slavs or hispanics. The second point in their program states that only swedes may have any kind of position of power in Sweden. Norwegian immigrants are apparently a big nuisance to them. Their principle program starts by asserting that human history is a history of combat. They define Sweden and Swedish by blut und boden.

This isn't a political party. These are genocidal maniacs masquerading as a political party.

Fuck 'em.

Is Kad talking up a party that would deport him if they get into power?

[HoreTore]

Is Kad talking up a party that would deport him if they get into power?

IIRC, they will allow non-Swedish Europeans to reside as second-class citizens.

But, yeah.

[Pannonian]

IIRC, they will allow non-Swedish Europeans to reside as second-class citizens.

But, yeah.

Perioikoi, or helots?

[HoreTore]

Perioikoi, or helots?

Metics.

[Crandar]

they are a democratical party

Their projects don't seem particularly democratic.

Metics.

Those were in Athenes. Sweden is more like Sparta.

[HoreTore]

Those were in Athenes. Sweden is more like Sparta.

That was the point: the social status is more akin to the one given to foreigners in Athens than any of the Spartan versions.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Kad, I don't mean to attack you in any way by saying this, but would it be fair to say that you have some sort of sympathy for the ideological platform that the SvP takes?

Considering that you seem to at least flirt with racialist ideas, I can't help but wonder if you are a little bit curious about what the SvP has to say, and that the 'freedom to speech' angle is in fact just a way of justifying (probably to yourself more than anybody else) your going along and meeting with them. On another note, I wonder if perhaps you feel a bit sorry for them purely because they are the underdogs, and/or because they represent some sort of dissent against the prevailing liberal/neo-con order.

I am sorry to do all this surmising about your motivations... it's just that, in my own experience, sometimes that combination of misguided sympathy and general disenchantment with 'the establishment' can lead to you giving support to the sort of people that you know on some level you really shouldn't be supporting. You are better than these knuckle-dragging skinheads and they don't deserve your time.

Now run along... and remember to do your homework and stay away from drugs.

[Kadagar_AV]

Kad, I don't mean to attack you in any way by saying this, but would it be fair to say that you have some sort of sympathy for the ideological platform that the SvP takes?

Considering that you seem to at least flirt with racialist ideas, I can't help but wonder if you are a little bit curious about what the SvP has to say, and that the 'freedom to speech' angle is in fact just a way of justifying (probably to yourself more than anybody else) your going along and meeting with them. On another note, I wonder if perhaps you feel a bit sorry for them purely because they are the underdogs, and/or because they represent some sort of dissent against the prevailing liberal/neo-con order.

I am sorry to do all this surmising about your motivations... it's just that, in my own experience, sometimes that combination of misguided sympathy and general disenchantment with 'the establishment' can lead to you giving support to the sort of people that you know on some level you really shouldn't be supporting. You are better than these knuckle-dragging skinheads and they don't deserve your time.

Now run along... and remember to do your homework and stay away from drugs.

In all Swedish political barometers, I am 50/50 extreme right and extreme left.

I am all for a socialistic environment with high taxes and where everyone have an equal right. I am also in favour of nationalism where Swedes act for the better of Sweden.



You all must consider, that the Swedish political compass is like this big. In the US, any party would fit in with the democrats, and come off as the extreme left wing. In the UK, every party would fit in with the Labour party.


I seriously don't agree with these guys, however, I would like to listen to them as it straight outside where I live. I would also like to protect their right as thousands of people try to kill it.

That they are underdogs is of course another factor. Who wouldnt support the underdog in questions they don't care about?

My racial ideas have nothing to do with nazism, and little to do with what SVP proposes. At least that's what I THINK as I haven't heard SvP speak, I know only what leftist media tell me about them.

That's kind of being vehemently against a party as the Fox News said "it's liberal".



In essence: I am more against protesters trying to stop a political rally, than I am opposed to the idea that partys I don't agree with should be kept silent.

[Pannonian]

In all Swedish political barometers, I am 50/50 extreme right and extreme left.

I am all for a socialistic environment with high taxes and where everyone have an equal right. I am also in favour of nationalism where Swedes act for the better of Sweden.

So you're basically a combo nationalist and socialist? I'm trying to think of a political term that describes that position, but none come to mind.

[Kadagar_AV]

So you're basically a combo nationalist and socialist? I'm trying to think of a political term that describes that position, but none come to mind.

That joke was made years ago in the BR, and has been a joke for like 10 more times, that's why I didn't make it.. Shame on you.


Regardless, am I not allowed to be nationalistic? Am I now allowed to be socialistic?

How come that as soon as someone wants a country where everyone is seen as an equal, where everyone can find a job, where everyone trust the people around them... Coupled with a country that firstmost look after their own citizens... It becomes Nazi.




Remember, Sweden is right now selling out our entire wellfare system. We used to have equal schooling and health care, today it's sold out to private companies. Am I not allowed to be socialistically against that?

Sweden is letting in WAY more people than the EU recomendations.. In effect, more than one % of our population a year. And these mainly from the worlds biggest hell-holes of nations. In that light I think I'm fine to be nationalistic.



This however make me vote for the Swedish Democrats in this election. They more or less support my thoughts, they are also in the government.

These two facts together? Do they <equal> me wanting to send Jews to concentration camps?

Again, shame on you Pannonian. It's EXACTLY people who think and theorize like you do, who I am vehemently against. You know absolutely nothing of the issue, but you are more than happy to jump on "the-bandwagon-of-good-people-knowing-they are-right.

IMHO, your argument is retarded.





SvP who holds this rally, I mainly don't agree with at all. I know little about them though, as the swedish media paints them as somewhere more evil than Hitler.

When I read their actual party guidelines, I see little (none) of the Jew-bashing-thingy...

So I would like to hear them, given they have a rally just outside where I live.

Shame, shame, shame on you for painting that in a nazi light. That is no way for a democracy to move forwards.

[drone]

Smith v Collin, the Skokie case. Even idiots and bigots have a right to speak, if only to show the world their ignorance.

[Ironside]

That they are underdogs is of course another factor. Who wouldnt support the underdog in questions they don't care about?

My racial ideas have nothing to do with nazism, and little to do with what SVP proposes. At least that's what I THINK as I haven't heard SvP speak, I know only what leftist media tell me about them.

That's kind of being vehemently against a party as the Fox News said "it's liberal".

Eh, you could read their party program (English version even! Language traitors!!!!). They do have a homepage. SD got notable facist leanings, SVP is facists, down to questioning democracy (to build something better, somehow).

Really, the cops are there. And they're allowed to have a homepage. That's enough for you to accept for them to say their word. After all, the opposition are also saying theirs.

Replace SVP with an ISIS recruitment drive. Still want to go out and defend them? I can add that they're in some ways the Swedish version of ISIS (ISIS is obsessed with their version of purity for example).
People are people, no matter were they live. What changes are the cultural manifistation.

[Kadagar_AV]

Eh, you could read their party program (English version even! Language traitors!!!!). They do have a homepage. SD got notable facist leanings, SVP is facists, down to questioning democracy (to build something better, somehow).

Really, the cops are there. And they're allowed to have a homepage. That's enough for you to accept for them to say their word. After all, the opposition are also saying theirs.

Replace SVP with an ISIS recruitment drive. Still want to go out and defend them? I can add that they're in some ways the Swedish version of ISIS (ISIS is obsessed with their version of purity for example).
People are people, no matter were they live. What changes are the cultural manifistation.

**** Yeah I would listen to an ISIS political drive, was it outside of where I lived.

I also defend their right to be heard on even terms with anyone else. What's your point?

Seems like you have a rather shady definition of "democracy".


The SvP party program is EXTREMELY up to definitions.

Sure they mightbe the evil that some of the leftist media claim.

Or they can actually defend their views in a democratic light?

I don't know? That's. Why. I. Think. It's. Right. For. People. To. Hear. Them. Out.

Specially if all it would take was to step outside of their house. IMHO the least you can do if you want to know why you are for/against something.



EDIT: Another thing that annoyed me... To call them anti-democratic - As that would be a reason to not listen to them. Or are you under the belief that a democracy only lives and thrives if people completely ignore other ideas?

Should one allow violent opposition to make one NOT listen to ideas?

Now that's a scary view of democracy if I ever heard one.

[Kadagar_AV]

Is Kad talking up a party that would expel him if they get into power?

I don't know about "talking up". I dislike them, but as they are a democratical party, and I am a democrat, I support their rights.

It's not about what they think, it's about their right to say it in an election campaign.

EDIT: I am certain they wont get enough votes to make it a problem for people like me.