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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    While you're at it, take a look at how hilariously crappy they've done those jobs, how many loopholes exist and how they have managed to put 2 extra refs in who are specifically not allowed to do anything important, simply because they've taken 20 years and still can't decide the obvious(introducing goal line tech).

    And anyway, that's 5 changes in 20 years. That's like an hour in the rest of society.
    I mentioned the most conspicuous changes while I'm sure there are many more if one gets deeper into it. And you seem to be very critical about the changes introduced - so would you second the creation of FIFA parliament permanently in session able to discuss laws the way ordinary parliaments do?
    Ukrainian laws have as many loopholes while a bunch of eggheads have been sweating over them on a permanent basis. If both do their job sloppily, why not opt for the FIFA type of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
    Your whole counterargument is just re-hashing "it's a waste of money" I know in the Ukraine corruption among politicians is probably very high, but for the most part the government is not spending any significant fraction of its GDP on the MP's. If there is one place where you want to spend money to get the job done right, it's hiring people who know the field that is being legislated on.
    They say that people pay around 1 mln. hrivnas to get a place on the party roster which (place) is sure to guarantee "deputyship". The majority candidates spend twice as much for their electoral campaign. Once both are in they try to get their money back with a vengeance. So it is not only about official expenditures on the MPs (which are high enough considering all bonuses appended to the vacancy), but also about their further attempts to get the full value of the money they spent by creating various illegal opportunities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    1. Parliament is supposed to represent the people, which means everyone is welcome. A parliament of lawyers represents lawyers.
    Meaning lawyers and people are two opposite categories of homo sapiens?
    As for "people" in the parliament, see above.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    2. Lawyers are more about phrasing the laws so they achieve their original purpose. The actual content of the law is made by the experts in the field and those the law will be affecting.
    It seems that the Ukrainian parliament has problems both with the content and the phrasing if it repeals its own laws thus undoing the work they have been already paid for. There is no hope that the content part will be improved (at least 23 years of independece didn't instill that hope in me) so let at least the phrasing be perfect. Perhaps when it is done, the content will follow suit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    3. Most laws don't affect just a single group of people (just dentist or just teachers). Pensions, social policies, preservation of cultural heritage, protection of minorities, foreign policy... affect entire nation, regardless of education type.
    I'm sure all spheres can be checked and the need of this or that law will transpire. Then compile a list of these laws, develop them for each sphere and adopt. After initial year of preparation the laws, the further work of the parliament will require three months of work every year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post

    4. Parliaments also choose a government in most cases.
    Not neccessarily from within the parliament. Government members may come from outside it, at least in Ukraine.
    Last edited by Gilrandir; 11-12-2014 at 15:29.
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