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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    This one is misplaced. You should put it in the thread "What others learnt from you".
    I didn't ask random Americans because I can't afford to fly there, I merely watched John Oliver report on it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I didn't ask random Americans because I can't afford to fly there, I merely watched John Oliver report on it.
    Again misplaced. This one should go to "What others learnt from John Oliver" thread.
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    There is nothing that will earn you a man's enmity faster than removing the excuse he was using for his failures.
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    Einstein was correct to criticize non-locality and superposition. Quantum entanglement seems like hooey.

    I am ever-more-deeply suspicious of quantum theory, if not the whole edifice of quantum physics as a whole, that such notions retain their dominance.

    Who the is John Bell?
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    Vitiate Man.

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    But Einstein was proven wrong just last month!
    http://www.livescience.com/50262-spo...n-is-real.html

    As for your link, too many formulas, I can deal with explanations but formulas freak me out, I do not always find the transformation from model to formula easily understandable either, it could be wrong for all I know.


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    It's the same problem of erroneous assumptions or fallacies leading to the only interpretation that can be generated - based on those erroneous assumptions and fallacies.

    Basically similar to:

    a = 1
    b = 1

    a = b
    a2 = b2
    a2 - b2 = 0
    (a-b)(a+b) = 0
    (a-b)(a+b)/(a-b) = 0/(a-b)
    1(a+b) = 0
    (a+b) = 0
    1 + 1 = 0
    2 = 0
    1 = 0
    1 + 1 = 1
    Obviously, that's just the mathematical equivalent of sophistry. The problems with backers of entanglement as real is that they do not realize that Bell's Inequalities:

    1. Are predicated on some sense of "freedom".
    2. Where is "space-time"? What does Bell's universe have to do with Einstein's universe? See the previously-linked article, as well as:

    Hess, K., De Raedt, H. A., and Michielsen, K. (2012). Hidden assumptions in the derivation of the theorem of Bell.
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    And some physicists will try to BS their way out of this by ignoring it entirely or by claiming that they don't like to treat with philosophy, or something along those lines, even though such a claim is self-contradictory at every step - by such reasoning they would have to discard all of their own precious work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    As for your link, too many formulas, I can deal with explanations but formulas freak me out, I do not always find the transformation from model to formula easily understandable either, it could be wrong for all I know.
    There is a joke: One student is reading a book. Another comes and asks: "What are you reading?" The first replies: "This is quantum physics and I have an exam in it tomorrow". The second says: "But you are holding the book upside down". The first goes: "It doesn't really matter".
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