POTUS Election thread

Why oh why can't Michelle Obama run for President?

If there werent so many big GOP names jumping ship (and I think they just shut down their Trump victory fund or something) I would agree that this is just another scandal that will roll off him.

Beautiful SNL cold open:

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Why oh why can't Michelle Obama run for President?

Because she is smarter than that?

Originally Posted by Husar

So the people who molested women and did what Trump talked about in Cologne, do they also come across as human beings to you now or do you just not compare oranges and browns?

What does it matter what I think? What happened in Collogne is your problem. But thereis a difference between saying and doing anyway, certainly there would be charches against a very rich guy.

Originally Posted by Fragony

What does it matter what I think?

Why do you post it if it's useless?

Originally Posted by Fragony

But thereis a difference between saying and doing anyway, certainly there would be charches against a very rich guy.

Oh, I did not know that. The difference between actually getting a chance to do it and get away with it and just wanting to do it if one wouldn't have to fear severe repercussions is not so big though. Would you call someone a friend or a nice guy if he told you he 'd like to murder you but won't because he'd get arrested? After all he just talked about it.

Tonight's debate, in a nutshell:


Not even a debate, just two people slagging each other off for 90 minutes. I don't think any of the questions asked were even answered. What a disgrace.

Originally Posted by Husar

Why do you post it if it's useless?



Oh, I did not know that. The difference between actually getting a chance to do it and get away with it and just wanting to do it if one wouldn't have to fear severe repercussions is not so big though. Would you call someone a friend or a nice guy if he told you he 'd like to murder you but won't because he'd get arrested? After all he just talked about it.

Trump would be a goldmine for the type of women he abused and I haven't heard of any lawsuits. He was just larking probably. everybody already knows he's a sexist who thinks lowly of women. Probably with good reason as he's rich, atracts certain types

Originally Posted by Fragony

Trump would be a goldmine for the type of women he abused and I haven't heard of any lawsuits. He was just larking probably. everybody already knows he's a sexist who thinks lowly of women. Probably with good reason as he's rich, atracts certain types

And you think that is "presidential"?

Originally Posted by Husar

And you think that is "presidential"?

Bill Clinton was a notorious womeniser. Trump has said much more stupid things than this, and didn't say it 10 years ago. Hillary is a much worse person, Trump probably has only blood on his hands once a month if he actually does it

Originally Posted by Fragony

Bill Clinton was a notorious womeniser. Trump has said much more stupid things than this, and didn't say it 10 years ago. Hillary is a much worse person, Trump probably has only blood on his hands once a month if he actually does it

Bill Clinton is a completely different person in many aspects. Surely not a flawless one, but then who is? There is also a difference between liking women and degrading them.
That Trump has said even more stupid things on many occasions works in his favor how exactly?
And no, Hillary is not a much worse person. Unless you mean worse than Bill Clinton, that I'd agree with. But to say she is worse than Trump is just wrong, certainly if you compare their proposals and goals. That she has had a job where she had to make hard decisions and Trump didn't does not make her a worse person just like that. Not to forget that he supported the bombing of Libya and the invasion in Iraq.

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/7/12842998...in-chief-forum

So you really have no point there.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Trump would be a goldmine for the type of women he abused and I haven't heard of any lawsuits. He was just larking probably. everybody already knows he's a sexist who thinks lowly of women. Probably with good reason as he's rich, atracts certain types

You mean this?

Feel free to look up the many many scandals surrounding Hillary, does she belong in jail instead of the White House, yeah. Trump might be an idiot but at least he's really an idiot. Hillary scares the crap out of me she is a very dangerous woman.

How do you feel about Henry Kissinger?

Originally Posted by Montmorency

You mean this?

Never heard of that, won't say it isn't true

Originally Posted by Fragony

Feel free to look up the many many scandals surrounding Hillary, does she belong in jail instead of the White House, yeah. Trump might be an idiot but at least he's really an idiot. Hillary scares the crap out of me she is a very dangerous woman.

Well, when Stalin the criminal fought Hitler the idiot, the criminal won.
Which only shows us that a criminal mastermind is still better to lead a nation than an idiot, without wanting to take the comparison any further.
Whether Hillary actually is a criminal mastermind is entirely up for debate though because all the Republicans have are scandals but not a single conviction. I will give you that I don't think she is clean, but neither is Trump "only" an idiot. Trump University is an outright scam, that's not idiocy, that is evil and criminal. Not to forget that he bribed that attourney in Florida with money donated to his charity to not get sued. So you still don't really have a point there as Trump is obviously just as capable of criminal actions. It's not even surprising given that humans tend to choose psychopaths as their leaders:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...al-candidates/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...n-study-finds/

That Bernie Sanders got anywhere is the hopeful part.

You have to be a psychopath to want the job anyway probably

Let's face it, Trump is barely fit to be considered a human being, but his scandals with women are nothing compared to Bill Clinton's, which Hillary helped cover up. Using a position of power to force women to provide sexual favours to you, is, for all intents and purposes, rape.

Originally Posted by Fragony

You have to be a psychopath to want the job anyway probably

Sanders is actually close to Gandhi, and doesn't seem to have any traits in the psychopathic range.
Obviously the people preferred psychopathic Hillary and Trump. Don't forget that people vote for them based on preference.

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Let's face it, Trump is barely fit to be considered a human being, but his scandals with women are nothing compared to Bill Clinton's, which Hillary helped cover up. Using a position of power to force women to provide sexual favours to you, is, for all intents and purposes, rape.

I've got to be running with outdated info, I thought his affair(s) were consensual, or is the abuse of power always implied when one person is a president and the other is not?

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Let's face it, Trump is barely fit to be considered a human being, but his scandals with women are nothing compared to Bill Clinton's, which Hillary helped cover up. Using a position of power to force women to provide sexual favours to you, is, for all intents and purposes, rape.

Women aren't mindless, rape goes too far. But Bill Clinton certainly liked tons of it. Hillary's role in intimidating Bill's (probably very
eager) 'victims' is much more questionable. She pretends to for women yet gets funded by the most backward counties one could think off. How woman see any sense in that I can't grasp

Originally Posted by Husar

Sanders is actually close to Gandhi, and doesn't seem to have any traits in the psychopathic range.

Gandhi was (allegedly) a racist:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ghana-remov...gandhi-1585365

Originally Posted by Husar

I've got to be running with outdated info, I thought his affair(s) were consensual, or is the abuse of power always implied when one person is a president and the other is not?

It doesn't appear to be that way. Monica Lewinsky maintains that the relationship was consensual, but at the same time she says Clinton took advantage of her.

At best, it is actually performing in practice what Trump was talking about.

Some other cases are in the grey area. Paula Jones for instance, filed a lawsuit against Clinton for sexual harassment. Clintons made a deal with her to withdraw in exchange of 850,000$.

Of course, it is not impossible that some malicious women were trying to take advantage and make money, but there's too much there to be just that.

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

It doesn't appear to be that way. Monica Lewinsky maintains that the relationship was consensual, but at the same time she says Clinton took advantage of her.

At best, it is actually performing in practice what Trump was talking about.

Some other cases are in the grey area. Paula Jones for instance, filed a lawsuit against Clinton for sexual harassment. Clintons made a deal with her to withdraw in exchange of 850,000$.

Of course, it is not impossible that some malicious women were trying to take advantage and make money, but there's too much there to be just that.

I just read up on some allegations, and it is in fact terrible if true.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/09/497291...linton-of-rape
http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/bill-clin...-hillary-knew/

The sad thing is that I'd still prefer Clinton as POTUS than Trump, one might want to ask why that sort of thing only gets into the spotlight now and how the parties could end up nominating these two as candidates when there were so many other choices...

I mean Trump basically engaged in modern slavery: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...al-immigration

And even "imported" foreigners for that...
Not to forget that every third sentence he utters seems to include a lie and that even though his language is so very simple.

Harding, Kennedy, Johnson, and Clinton were all notorious womanizers.
F. Roosevelt, while not notorious, had a mistress during his tenure and more or less died in her arms.
Fidelity, per se, is not a relevant concern to the office.

None of the aforementioned ever got themselves recorded bragging about it like a 16-year old high school footballer in a locker room d*** measuring discussion.

Man's got multiple billion dollars from an amazing business career and celebrity status to boot and feels he has to do that kind of locker-room bragging to impress....Billy Bush?

NOT a level of maturity I feel should be associated with the office.



22 Declared candidates among the two major parties and more than a $100m dollars spent and THESE TWO are the choices we are left with? [I would insert a 'screaming vomit' smiley here if we had one]

We've got a "big government cures all" self-serving liar whose BEST leadership characteristic is her Machiavellianism and an insecure narcissistic rich guy who demagogues for the benefit of the LOWEST common denominator while bragging about his penis.


I am voting for my wife. I will still be getting f**ked by the person for whom I a voting -- just like the rest of the country -- but unlike the other choices I actually respect her.

Diarrhea and constipation.

I also wonder why anyone would want to fly to a star.

So can we agree that this is now a choice between Göring and a female Himmler?

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

21 Declared candidates among the two major parties and more than a $100m dollars spent and THESE TWO are the choices we are left with? [I would insert a 'screaming vomit' smiley here if we had one]

We've got a "big government cures all" self-serving liar whose BEST leadership characteristic is her Machiavellianism and insecure narcissistic rich guy who demagogues for the benefit of the LOWEST common denominator while bragging about his penis.


I am voting for my wife. I will still be getting f**ked by the person for whom I a voting -- just like the rest of the country -- but unlike the other choices I actually respect her.

It's pretty funny, in a very sad, morbid, and depressing way. If the Democrats had done what the Republicans did (had a fair nomination process), and if the Republicans had done what the Democrats did (allow party insiders control over their nomination), we wouldn't be in this mess. Both parties should really be ashamed of themselves, and it may take decades before the GOP recovers from this debacle.

I will be writing in either Bernie or Cthulhu, depending on my nihilism level that day. My congressional vote is still up for grabs. The GOP really needs to get smacked down, but it's pretty much guaranteed at this point that Hillary will have the Senate. Giving her the House as well is a step too far.

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Harding, Kennedy, Johnson, and Clinton were all notorious womanizers.

Womanizers I don't mind. Rapists on the other hand, belong in jail.

Bill is as bad and disrespectful to women as Trump, at least. At most, he's a rapist.

Originally Posted by Greyblades

So can we agree that this is now a choice between Göring and a female Himmler?

Neither of them bear any resemblance to either of these individuals. Pick another two out of the Nazi hat. Maybe you can get a lucky draw.

What, an over inflated ego, pomposity and a tendancy for self aggrandizement isnt ringing any bells?