Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
It doesn't appear to be that way. Monica Lewinsky maintains that the relationship was consensual, but at the same time she says Clinton took advantage of her.

At best, it is actually performing in practice what Trump was talking about.

Some other cases are in the grey area. Paula Jones for instance, filed a lawsuit against Clinton for sexual harassment. Clintons made a deal with her to withdraw in exchange of 850,000$.

Of course, it is not impossible that some malicious women were trying to take advantage and make money, but there's too much there to be just that.
Paula Jones case dragged on for a while, but only because Clinton argued at first that the case couldn't be brought against a sitting president. When it went forward, it was dismissed very quickly. Clinton settled to prevent it from going through the appeal process, and according to Bill himself it was only to move on with his life. Considering that Paula Jones' lawsuit was the trigger for the Lewinsky scandal I tend to believe that explanation.

The most serious allegation levelled against Clinton was by Juanita Broaddrick, who was allegedly raped. Her case is full of holes: she became active as a political volunteer for Bill Clinton after he supposedly raped her, she kept quite about it for 20 years, denied in a court proceeding there was any truth to rumours of rape...before making a 180 degree turn, claiming it took her so long because she was emotionally distressed. Granted, that is possible, but nevertheless the whole story is fairly dubious- and the onus is on the accusing side.

I'm sure there are others, and it's universally accepted that Bill is/was promiscuous, but saying "well, there's a lot of smoke, so there probably is a fire of some sort..." isn't going to cut it. The problem with Trump's attacks isn't just that all of these allegations are unproven, but also that there's absolutely no indication that Hillary covered up for him or threatened these women in any way. This whole angle of attack is an excercise in stupidity, especially considering Trump's own record of marital infidelity.

Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
So can we agree that this is now a choice between Göring and a female Himmler?
It sounds like you're the only one who has changed his opinion. Every sane person has known for months that Trump is a complete sack of shit, what took you so long?

Hillary would probably not be my first choice if I were an American either. She has popularity issues for a reason. And yet, somehow, the alternative the Republicans are pushing is *Trump*? Hillary can at least be counted on to govern rationally, and to pursue policies that are liked by US democrats and liberals.