POTUS Election thread

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Depends on what I am supposed to admit, I don't like the islam and the EU no, that that is seen as rightwing is not up to me. I don't see that as being wrong, if it's seen as that I can't deny it because I look at it that way but that's just definitians that outstayed it's welcome. I am extremily moderate really

cultural conservative; social moderate/liberal; foreign policy ?; military/use of force?

[Montmorency]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_right

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Define "don't like the Islam", I'd say I don't like islam either and yet we keep arguing about it...

He is not anti-Islam really. Much of what he abhors about Islam are those elements that are, in many ways, cultural carry-overs from pre-Islamic Arabian culture. That is where we get the women as property, cover them or they are whores for you to use as you please etc. stuff that Frag's consistently derides.

I think he would actually be supportive of Suffism or even of the Baha'i (though Bahaists claim separate religious status even though their originators were Shiites.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Admittedly, the labels are not quite so applicable to the older framing as they are today.

That's my point exactly. Seems like a mistake to try and guess the outcome of the collapse of the Republican party through the lens of liberal and conservative.

[Husar]

He is not anti-Islam really. Much of what he abhors about Islam are those elements that are, in many ways, cultural carry-overs from pre-Islamic Arabian culture. That is where we get the women as property, cover them or they are whores for you to use as you please etc. stuff that Frag's consistently derides.

I think he would actually be supportive of Suffism or even of the Baha'i (though Bahaists claim separate religious status even though their originators were Shiites.

That's what I usually think, but then he says things like

There were also moderate nazi's, doesn't make the nazi-ideoligy very nice no? I got no problem putting them both in the same comfort zone. Do you have a good reason for me not doing that.

Which as I read it implies that he treats moderate muslims and extremist ones in the same way.
And when I ask what it means exactly, I never get an explanation apparently, just repetitions or him saying that he will continue to repeat said repetitions.
What is the distinction good for if he basically says he wants them treated the same way anyway?

[edyzmedieval]

Regardless of your preferences, the current election in the United States has offered some very weird and some downright shocking moments. Whatever happened to those elegant jokes in debates like in the old days?

[Fragony]

He is not anti-Islam really. Much of what he abhors about Islam are those elements that are, in many ways, cultural carry-overs from pre-Islamic Arabian culture. That is where we get the women as property, cover them or they are whores for you to use as you please etc. stuff that Frag's consistently derides.

I think he would actually be supportive of Suffism or even of the Baha'i (though Bahaists claim separate religious status even though their originators were Shiites.

t 'not anti-muslim' would be better

I kinda like women as they are. But I have much more objections, especially against the multicultural left, can I please call them 'usefull infidels'. I am not afraid of the islam as they are to stupid to herd their goats and somehow end up here. It are leftist intelectuals I fear. Believe me or not my mind is much sharper than you think.

[Gilrandir]

Yet sexual harassment and rape is skyrocketing in your culture, way more than the middle east. Even people running for president indulge in it. Where are women really "subhuman?"

In Middle East even presidents indulge in it: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/f...-rape-1.351092

[Fragony]

In Middle East even presidents indulge in it: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/f...-rape-1.351092

That's not really fair imho opinion, power says power does. As rightious human beings we shouldn't want the power to overthrow the dignity of others. The left is so sick they can't see the ambiguety. That they are right is a given in their tightly wrapped heads just isn't anything they can doubt. braaiiiiiiiins

[Seamus Fermanagh]

t 'not anti-muslim' would be better

I kinda like women as they are. But I have much more objections, especially against the multicultural left, can I please call them 'usefull infidels'. I am not afraid of the islam as they are to stupid to herd their goats and somehow end up here. It are leftist intelectuals I fear. Believe me or not my mind is much sharper than you think.

You are sometimes in consistent in how your express yourself on these threads. I never know how much of that is the result of: a) inconsistent thinking, b) operating in your second (third?) language, or c) adult beverages.

[Gilrandir]

You are sometimes in consistent in how your express yourself on these threads. I never know how much of that is the result of: a) inconsistent thinking, b) operating in your second (third?) language, or c) adult beverages.

Inconsistent operating in second (third?) adult beverage.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Inconsistent operating in second (third?) adult beverage.

Well said sir, well said.

[Gilrandir]

Well said sir, well said.

[HopAlongBunny]

Another great SNL cold-open:

[Fragony]

You are sometimes in consistent in how your express yourself on these threads. I never know how much of that is the result of: a) inconsistent thinking, b) operating in your second (third?) language, or c) adult beverages.

It's very simple, a muslim is just someone who was born muslim, they celerbrate ramadan and that's about it. You mentioned sufi's, that's more of a spiritual thing that goes back a long time, they share a word for god nothing more it's an acient religion. I don't bring up the parralel society that is being created just for fun. They don't even deny it

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Clinton now has an advantage in the Electoral College that appears insurmountable. The next three weeks will have to produce enough change in voter opinion to shift several states by 4 or more points for Trump to win, as he has to carry virtually all the remaining battleground states to win, whereas Clinton wins if she can secure only an additional 14 EC votes over those that appear destined to be hers.

Despite this, despite the airing of Trump's soiled laundry, and despite questionable performances in the debates (Sucked in debate one, better in debate two but the rhetorical situation was horrific), and despite increasing claims of groping and what not...
Hillary has STILL dropped back below 50% support in the polls and still has several battleground states where Trump is within the margin of error. THAT is how unappealing she is to the American voter.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I am almost ready to offer prayers that NEITHER of them finish with 270 EC votes, that one "faithless" elector will put Paul Ryan into the mix and that the House selects him as President. Kaine would end up VP since the Senate, following Trump's "elegant leadership" of the campaign, is very likely to be a Dem majority in January (or a majority factoring the two independents who usually caucus with the Dems).

[drone]

I am almost ready to offer prayers that NEITHER of them finish with 270 EC votes, that one "faithless" elector will put Paul Ryan into the mix and that the House selects him as President. Kaine would end up VP since the Senate, following Trump's "elegant leadership" of the campaign, is very likely to be a Dem majority in January (or a majority factoring the two independents who usually caucus with the Dems).

Actually, the best-case scenario might be Evan McMullin. He may very well win Utah's EC votes, which would put him in the mix if neither of the sociopaths gets to 270. The House could be convinced to put him in, he's a true conservative.

[Husar]

How about they make a compromise and elect Bernie Sanders?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Actually, the best-case scenario might be Evan McMullin. He may very well win Utah's EC votes, which would put him in the mix if neither of the sociopaths gets to 270. The House could be convinced to put him in, he's a true conservative.

He would not be my first choice as I prefer a bit more gravitas -- but if he takes UTAH and thus becomes one of the top three EC vote getters who are the limited slate from which the HoR can select, then I would happily prefer him to the other two.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

How about they make a compromise and elect Bernie Sanders?

You are nothing if not consistent in your views, pal.

Not gonna happen though.

The mechanics of a HoR vote prevent it. If no candidate gets to 270 in the electoral college, the House decides, but is limited in their choice to the top three vote getters in the Electoral College. Two of these will be Clinton and Trump. The Third (if any) would be either a 3rd party candidate who "steals" one state (the McMullen scenario above is the only one with a chance really) or a person getting one or two single votes from "faithless" electors who choose to vote for someone other than the candidate for whom they were designated to vote at the time of their selection.

Ryan or Kasich or Rubio or even Bush might get such a one off from a Trump elector. It is possible that a Clinton elector might instead vote for Sanders, thus making him 3rd and putting his name in the mix.

HOWEVER, the House vote is by STATE, not by individual as it is for the Senate vote for VP. As the GOP controls (and will do so even after the election) 27-29 of the state delegations, they person chosen from the short list will be GOP or just perhaps a conservative amenable to the GOP. Sanders would not get the nod.

[drone]

Having the GOP House turn it's back on him might be the only way to save the party in the long run. And given Trump's latest on the global world conspiracy (it's teh joows!) to keep him out of office, it would be pretty hilarious. But I'm not sure the GOP reps have the cajones for it, unfortunately.

[Husar]

You are nothing if not consistent in your views, pal.

Not gonna happen though.

Thanks, and that was a given. But I can dream, can't I?
Maybe once Hillary makes only politics for the banks the people will become more ready for someone like Sanders.

Having the GOP House turn it's back on him might be the only way to save the party in the long run. And given Trump's latest on the global world conspiracy (it's teh joows!) to keep him out of office, it would be pretty hilarious. But I'm not sure the GOP reps have the cajones for it, unfortunately.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cajones

They don't have the drawers?

[HopAlongBunny]

Latest update from fivethirtyeight:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...dier-forecast/

[a completely inoffensive name]

I am almost ready to offer prayers that NEITHER of them finish with 270 EC votes, that one "faithless" elector will put Paul Ryan into the mix and that the House selects him as President. Kaine would end up VP since the Senate, following Trump's "elegant leadership" of the campaign, is very likely to be a Dem majority in January (or a majority factoring the two independents who usually caucus with the Dems).

Fun Constitutional oddities aside, this would be greatly devastating to the American psyche and the people's faith in government.

[HopAlongBunny]

Fun Constitutional oddities aside, this would be greatly devastating to the American psyche and the people's faith in government.

But such a turn might be satisfactory to the people who run the government

[Strike For The South]

How do you feel about Henry Kissinger?

I like him. It's how I rationilze Hillary.

[Fragony]

Gets even funnier, team Hillary supposedly hires mental patients do act like Trump supporters. I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually true, I have zero faith in her integrity

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I like him [Henry Kissinger]. It's how I rationilze Hillary.

An ode to that rockstar among policy wonks -- Henry Kissinger

[AE Bravo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCjQbTEuoDU