BR moderation

[Kadagar_AV]

I think the climate was great here a time ago, but lately... I don't know...

I'd vote Montmorency and PVC to get mod rights... The calmest heads around...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Oh no!

Not if you hold me down and staple the mask to my face!

For one thing I'm not really suited to it, for another I disagree violently on moderating policy with Beskar, and he's the Admin.

[Kadagar_AV]

Oh no!

Not if you hold me down and staple the mask to my face!

For one thing I'm not really suited to it, for another I disagree violently on moderating policy with Beskar, and he's the Admin.

* We don't talk about sex now...

* That's why I recommend you.





All: Don't read this as that much criticism.. I still SO prefer what we have to what we had.

With that said, I even rolled my eyes that some things I wrote was ok... A warning point here and there can work wonders :)

[Beskar]

For one thing I'm not really suited to it, for another I disagree violently on moderating policy with Beskar, and he's the Admin.

Oh?

Out of curiosity, what do you disagree violently with?

[Kadagar_AV]

Oh?

Out of curiosity, what do you disagree violently with?

I can only answer for myself... But: "The general tone".

Beskar, I think you have done a DAMN good job... I salute you in every way possible, and would gladly buy you a beer...

From my perspective, it is not that you have done anything wrong, it's just that we need more eyes and ears.


Let me make one thing clear, I do NOT, I repeat, NOT talk about replacing mods, I am talking about adding mods.

I firmly believe that people grow when they get responsibility, and that a team need many perspectives.


I only blame you for being a human with a real world to deal with. When you have acted, in each and every situation I have seen, I have found it OK to GREAT.

But the general tone has... I dunno... It isn't as good as a year ago. And the trolling has gone up.

To combat that you need TIME and ENERGY, not a change of rules...

So again, this is with the deepest respects (I should have made that clear in the OP, sorry, I suck at OPs).

[Beskar]

To combat that you need TIME and ENERGY,

Whilst I agree, i wouldn't describe that as something to violently disagree with. I would use such a term to describe a disagreement, such as opposing a tyrants ironfist.

[Kadagar_AV]

Whilst I agree, i wouldn't describe that as something to violently disagree with. I would use such a term to describe a disagreement, such as opposing a tyrants ironfist.

If I would rank the "thank you for your volunteer time and effort" factor on a scale from 1-10 I'd say PVC's answer was on the minus scale

[Hooahguy]

To be fair, we have lost a number of very active members in the BR over the past year so thats why discussion has gone down I think.

[Kadagar_AV]

To be fair, we have lost a number of very active members in the BR over the past year so thats why discussion has gone down I think.

This is about quality not quantity...

[Fragony]

Beskar is a great moderator as he acts completily neutral. I don't understand why this thread exists.

[Kadagar_AV]

Beskar is a great moderator as he acts completily neutral. I don't understand why this thread exists.

I full heartedly agree...

Again, I wish there was MORE moderation, not better.

I would myself have accepted a pinch in the ear or two...

[Beskar]

Again, I wish there was MORE moderation, not better.

I would myself have accepted a pinch in the ear or two...

To be fair, you would probably receive a larger brunt of it.
"Becareful of what you wish for"

On a side note, the biggest complaint about the Backroom I have received from newer/irregulars is that it is considered too right-wing/racist and this apparently stops people feeling welcome and prefer to avoid the place, with an apparent hostile atmosphere towards non-regulars. The problem here, is that I personally don't want to censor peoples opinion and in fact, encourage opinions to be challenged as long as it doesn't cross certain lines. This has been a disagreement with my moderation as I haven't locked down certain posts and threads.

On the otherside, we have also lost quite a few posters which used to frequent in the past like Hooah has pointed out due to real life, lack of interest in Total War, or more unfortunate reasons.

[Kadagar_AV]

To be fair, you would probably receive a larger brunt of it.
"Becareful of what you wish for"

On a side note, the biggest complaint about the Backroom I have received from newer/irregulars is that it is considered too right-wing/racist and this apparently stops people feeling welcome and prefer to avoid the place, with an apparent hostile atmosphere towards non-regulars. The problem here, is that I personally don't want to censor peoples opinion and in fact, encourage opinions to be challenged as long as it doesn't cross certain lines. This has been a disagreement with my moderation as I haven't locked down certain posts and threads.

On the otherside, we have also lost quite a few posters which used to frequent in the past like Hooah has pointed out due to real life, lack of interest in Total War, or more unfortunate reasons.

Point accepted Beskar...

[Husar]

To be fair, you would probably receive a larger brunt of it.
"Becareful of what you wish for"

On a side note, the biggest complaint about the Backroom I have received from newer/irregulars is that it is considered too right-wing/racist and this apparently stops people feeling welcome and prefer to avoid the place, with an apparent hostile atmosphere towards non-regulars.

Can't be, there are only sensible people and leftists with clouded judgement here.
These newbies lack common sense.

[AE Bravo]

I've been a longtime lurker here (since Tribesmen and the guy from Norway RIP) and I've learned a lot. My first post here isn't exactly common sense but it seems like it's okay to be racist here. Removed.

Why this isn't acknowledged is beyond me. Maybe cus I'm a newbie.

[Leet Eriksson]

I've been a longtime lurker here (since Tribesmen and the guy from Norway RIP) and I've learned a lot. My first post here isn't exactly common sense but it seems like it's okay to be racist here.

Why this isn't acknowledged is beyond me. Maybe cus I'm a newbie.

Its the backroom, we come to laugh at deluded racists with severe cases of cognitive dissonance, i don't think you really should engage anyone like that seriously.

[Beskar]

but it seems like it's okay to be racist here.

The problem is the subtle-racism and overt-racism line. I do crack down on the overt 'n-words' and such like, but with topics like immigration, it is something that is constantly in the news and there are indeed those who would prefer less immigration.

Now, not everyone who is against immigration is a racist. So there this is a thin-line where it can cross into over-moderation pretty easy, so I attempt to tackle the overt instances the most.

[Fragony]

I've been a longtime lurker here (since Tribesmen and the guy from Norway RIP) and I've learned a lot. My first post here isn't exactly common sense but it seems like it's okay to be racist here. OP is simply a bigot who probably had his gf stolen by a black guy cus she wanted bigger.

Why this isn't acknowledged is beyond me. Maybe cus I'm a newbie.

that are a lot of assumptions on how things work. If you are a newbie, you can go very far as long as you have good manners. Trying to disqualify someone and thinking up reasons belongs in a rap-battle as you put things

[Husar]

that are a lot of assumptions on how things work. If you are a newbie, you can go very far as long as you have good manners. Trying to disqualify someone and thinking up reasons belongs in a rap-battle as you put things

How many new people have come lately and what does that tell us about the reality or the use of such an explanation?

[Fragony]

How many new people have come lately and what does that tell us about the reality or the use of such an explanation?

I don't call new people a newbie. I have been here over 10 years and I still consider myself a newcomer.

[Montmorency]

I don't see the point of more moderation in the Backroom anymore - it's too small. Furthermore, I'm not the person for the job.

As for newcomers and lurkers feeling uncomfortable, well, I don't see what we could do besides outright banning certain members. At that point it just comes back to the numbers though; it won't improve the overall situation. Either way, the culture of the Old Org is but history now. May as well enjoy what we have while we still can.

[Viking]

We have to provide what the youth wants, and the youth wants Justin Bieber. We should stop focusing on Total War and re-brand ourselves as a Justin Bieber fan forum, and our ranks will swell.

[drone]

We have to provide what the youth wants, and the youth wants Justin Bieber. We should stop focusing on Total War and re-brand ourselves as a Justin Bieber fan forum, and our ranks will swell.

That's a bannable offense. @Beskar

[Furunculus]

On a side note, the biggest complaint about the Backroom I have received from newer/irregulars is that it is considered too right-wing/racist and this apparently stops people feeling welcome and prefer to avoid the place, with an apparent hostile atmosphere towards non-regulars.

What! I've barely been around in the last two years. I expected the tone of the place to have raised in my absence?

More seriously; I think all should understand just how difficult it is to moderate a free-form off-topic/politics sub forum.
I remember BG with particular fondness, but all of the BR mods have my upmost respect and admiration.

For me, life got in the way, but I hope to spend more time on the .Org in future.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Oh?

Out of curiosity, what do you disagree violently with?

Pretty much your entire outlook on life, your policy toward moderation, your internet and real life politics.

If you want a specific example, I think you locked Strike's thread too late to avoid it getting nasty but too early for it to achieve catharsis .

Like all good Englishman I crave the iron fist of a man who is better bred and more expensively educated than myself.

Sadly, as I come from impoverished gentry and am lacking at least one Great-Great grandparent the bar there is quite high.

[Beskar]

Pretty much your entire outlook on life, your policy toward moderation, your internet and real life politics.

Ouch. Makes me curious with your opinions on what those are, but probably better for a different place.

If you want a specific example, I think you locked Strike's thread too late to avoid it getting nasty but too early for it to achieve catharsis.

Was one of those matters where I didn't really want to be seen locking down discussion in a somewhat tyrannical way, since after all, it was discussing staff.

[Papewaio]

Isn't that what we want in moderators? Spread of views.

Moderating the Backroom is not an easy job and some topics get under people's skin way to easy so keeping calm is not always what one can expect of a human. Best response sometimes is editing with or responding with

[AE Bravo]

Trying to disqualify someone and thinking up reasons belongs in a rap-battle as you put things

It's the way I talk among friends. Let it be a constant reminder that yall need to chill the f out. Human beings > talking keyboards

It's like you've devolved into the 'hatebeard' you despise so much. Racially charged arguments are never cool y'nahmean.

[Fragony]

It's the way I talk among friends. Let it be a constant reminder that yall need to chill the f out. Human beings > talking keyboards

It's like you've devolved into the 'hatebeard' you despise so much. Racially charged arguments are never cool y'nahmean.

You are free to take offence. I think most here understand that my views are much more nuanced than they sometimes can look like. I like to be sarcastic just as much as people like to be politically correct. It never gotten me a warning from Beskar so it's all in the comfort-zone

[Husar]

You are free to take offence. I think most here understand that my views are much more nuanced than they sometimes can look like. I like to be sarcastic just as much as people like to be politically correct. It never gotten me a warning from Beskar so it's all in the comfort-zone

Isn't that part of the problem? People who don't know you don't know anything about you than what they read.
I know that you're not a bad guy but you sometimes do appear like one.

Part of the reason I sometimes engage in discussion here is that I do not want outsiders to think that certain (seemingly) extreme views appear here unopposed. I have realized though that it has become almost futile by now and people still stay away thinking that this is a racist cesspool. Might as well stay away more often myself and leave what looks like a right wing circlejerk behind. For me it would save a lot of hours.