Terror Attack: 130 Dead in Paris

[Idaho]

@Idaho, I don’t know if you have tried an objective view of the situation. You seem to think it is a matter of religiosity or racism. The biggest factor is one you don’t seem to have examined.

Here is the rub. Islam and western ideals of liberty are incompatible. All religions have some elements that could be called repressive, to one extent or another but there are grounds for accommodation and a sprit of live and let live, except with Islam. None of the others have as a tenant of their faith that all others must be converted, subjugated, or slain. Others have proven a willingness to live under a secular rule. The other religions do not call for forced conversion.

Many Muslims have also submitted themselves to live in secular countries but in doing so they violate the rules of their faith. The world view of the faith is that the world is divided into two. The lands of the faith and the lands of war.

Our ethics forbid us from assaults on the beliefs of others, while the faith of Islam demands it.
How are we logically to treat this threat to our values? Do we submit to eventual theocracy or do we resist?

You are being melodramatic. Sensational news stories about American or French civilians justifying "something be done" is matched by no interest in the mindlessness of the proposed reaction. This is a fringe group, and a dangerous one. But it's still fringe.

They have absolutely no intention of engaging politically with us. The hyperbole has been used in the past to say that Communists and other westernised oppositional organisations want to destroy us, but they always had a political organisation that maintained a voice in the (sort of) mainstream. Not so Islamism, for whom our very being is anathema to them. And while I count myself as a liberal where such norms are reciprocated, I see no point in tolerating people who game the system to destroy our liberal democracy.

How have we engaged politically with them? In Falluja for example.