Quote Originally Posted by HitWithThe5 View Post
He actually had mixed relations with the Pharisees. Also, I can list some of the things that show Jesus clearly disliked both the temple and Rome. You can use the Gospel to see an image of the Christ of history, and not the Christ of faith.
Please - roll forth with the anti-Roman quotes.

Not saying he was guilty. He suffered the same fate that's specifically designed for insurrectionists like I said already. I keep repeating this because it's not wrong and you still haven't said anything that invalidates it. How was he "pro-Roman" anyway..?
Jesus suffered the standard punishment for those who disturbed the Pax Romana. In his case he did that by "stirring up trouble" but most of the trouble he stirred up was with his opponents. Remember, Romans were want to issue summary executions to all gentiles who threatened the peace - Crucifixion ceased to be a punishment exclusively for rebels and increasingly it became the standard punishment for non-Romans, later replaced by hanging which became the standard punishment for everyone in the middle ages.

We were referring to the Qur'an. There's more to the Rashidun caliphate, and it is wrong to assume that they followed in his footsteps considering their quarrels and huge departure from his style of governance.

Nothing. Did you miss the story where the hometown crowd flung shit at him en masse after declaring prophethood?
No, I didn't - I also didn't miss all the raids against people he thought were going to steal his camels.

I'm pretty sure it's all non-Jews. It's quite clear in the Gospel that Jesus was preaching to his own people and nobody else.
Actually, I'm pretty sure he's referring to Caananites specifically whom the Israelites colloquially called dogs. You can see this episode and the parable of the Good Samaritan as episodes of racism if you wish but in both cases Jesus uses the episodes to subvert the Jewish idea of exclusive access to God as his "chosen people".

If you read the Gospels Jesus says several times that his ministry is a sort of performance, he's creating his story to contain his message.