Brexit Thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

So what if Cameron leaves, and then you get new elections, and a party runs on the promise of ignoring the referendum and not invoking article 50 and then this party gets >50% of the vote?

Why do you think he's putting off invoking Article 50?

Personally, I can hardly believe it - but it's not that surprising when you consider that the "Stay" campaign devolved into "Project Fear" to the extent that a lot of people are now convinced fascism is coming.

What decided it for me, I think, was the German politicians talking about how it would be "hard" if we left and they're now saying we'll "suffer" so I think we'rem well shot. Trying to intimidate the English just causes us to set our faces, and the Welsh are the same. Ireland - as noted - voted along Sectarian lines but the split wasn't that clean, about 11%, the Scottish gap at 18% is more profound, but turnout there was also 6% lower.

Gibraltar will be upset but they won't leave, especially given how quick Spain was to try to get the knife in.

If the EU is smart they'll offer the UK a deal that's better than WTO rules but not as nice as being in the EU and leave the door open for us to come back in 10 years after we've had our fill of living democratically.

Of course, in ten years the EU might have undergone the sort of reform Britain has been demanding for a couple of decades but which Italy, France and Germany are only now considering - after the horse has bolted.

[Pannonian]

Why do you think he's putting off invoking Article 50?

Personally, I can hardly believe it - but it's not that surprising when you consider that the "Stay" campaign devolved into "Project Fear" to the extent that a lot of people are now convinced fascism is coming.

What decided it for me, I think, was the German politicians talking about how it would be "hard" if we left and they're now saying we'll "suffer" so I think we'rem well shot. Trying to intimidate the English just causes us to set our faces, and the Welsh are the same. Ireland - as noted - voted along Sectarian lines but the split wasn't that clean, about 11%, the Scottish gap at 18% is more profound, but turnout there was also 6% lower.

Gibraltar will be upset but they won't leave, especially given how quick Spain was to try to get the knife in.

If the EU is smart they'll offer the UK a deal that's better than WTO rules but not as nice as being in the EU and leave the door open for us to come back in 10 years after we've had our fill of living democratically.

Of course, in ten years the EU might have undergone the sort of reform Britain has been demanding for a couple of decades but which Italy, France and Germany are only now considering - after the horse has bolted.

And London, which pays more into the kitty that funds services in the UK than any other region, voted strongly to remain. And Cornwall, having voted to leave, are now seeking reassurances from the Leave camp that EU subsidies will be replaced by ones from Westminster. I say screw them. London money for Londoners only. Let the Leavers make their own way, without London to soften their landing.

I would now support regional governments in England, with local taxation funding local services, with only defence and foreign affairs shared at a higher level. Let the southwest, Welsh, north, etc. fund themselves from their own tax money, without dipping into London's coffers.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'm sorry, is the wealthy Londoner coming down to earth with a bump, realising he doesn't control the country?

You lost the vote - get over it and move on.

[Pannonian]

I'm sorry, is the wealthy Londoner coming down to earth with a bump, realising he doesn't control the country?

You lost the vote - get over it and move on.

London hasn't been controlling the country, voting consistently Labour while the rest of England voted Tory. But these were elections and occurred regularly, and I'm ok with subsidising the rest of the country even though these regular elections put London at odds with the rest of the country. But this vote has results that will last for decades, and London, whose money keeps the rest of the country afloat (including fiscal black holes like the south west and Wales), has been dragged out of the EU despite voting 60% remain. If the south west value their pride that much, let them pay for it themselves. Break off the south east as far north as Essex, as far west as Berkshire, and everything to their south and east. Let the rest of England make their own way.

[InsaneApache]

You don't really get this democracy malarky do you?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Leftists see a lost election as an out right attack.

[CrossLOPER]

You don't really get this democracy malarky do you?

They can always get on that wagon full of malarky and vote their way out. Then they can build a wall to keep all the unwashed ones out while they pave their streets with platinum or whatever.

[Lizardo]

I dont understand Sturgeon or Scotland they want to leave the UK and become independent but then give it all away to Brussels?

[Husar]

You don't really get this democracy malarky do you?

How is London not wanting to pay for Wales any different from Britain not wanting to pay for Poland?
Freedom for London I say!

[Fragony]

uhm yeah, leftist logic keeps amazing.

Anyways, we finally gotten to the bottom of it, brexit is all about Turkey and his highness in particular. finally someone who just says it

[Lizardo]

Nigel Farage has reacted with fury after Vote Leave said it would exclude him from a cross-party committee which will negotiate Britain’s exit from the European Union. The UK Independence Party leader said that he would use his position as head of the Ukip group in the European Parliament – the biggest group of British MEPs – to ensure he had a say over the terms of British breakaway from the EU. Senior Vote Leave sources on Friday made clear that Mr Farage would not be invited to join the committee negotiating the Brexit. One told The Telegraph: “Nigel Farage’s involvement has come to an end.” Mr Farage responded furiously. He said: “I just don’t understand these people – they will never give me credit for anything. "I have tried for nearly a year to work with these people and fight on a common agenda and they don’t want to know.”

Makes you wonder why they wouldn't let his campaign become official and government funded. Are we going to get a bad deal now? Because Nigel Farage is a man true to his word the higher up knew this and pre planned in the event of a brexit, I bet we are going to get stuffed I trust Nigel Farage to fight for us and the common people more than Boris and Michael Gove. Carswell and his Tory team want to keep Nigel away from negotiations where they want to avoid immigration reduction.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

How is London not wanting to pay for Wales any different from Britain not wanting to pay for Poland?
Freedom for London I say!

Because, to date, London has not exercised sovereignty independently of England.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

London hasn't been controlling the country, voting consistently Labour while the rest of England voted Tory. But these were elections and occurred regularly, and I'm ok with subsidising the rest of the country even though these regular elections put London at odds with the rest of the country. But this vote has results that will last for decades, and London, whose money keeps the rest of the country afloat (including fiscal black holes like the south west and Wales), has been dragged out of the EU despite voting 60% remain. If the south west value their pride that much, let them pay for it themselves. Break off the south east as far north as Essex, as far west as Berkshire, and everything to their south and east. Let the rest of England make their own way.

Have you considered that the reason we voted "Leave" outside of our own little Micro-London of Exeter is that we just haven't been seeing the benefit? Londoners talk about subsidising the UK the way Victorians talk about housing the poor. The South West is poor because it relies on farming and UK farming has ever been a target of the EU because the CAP benefit French farming.