Trump Thread

**spmetla** · 05-17-2017, 21:54

Originally Posted by drone

Just wait until next week's trip to the middle east. Who knew the Israeli-Palestinian conflict could be so hard to resolve?

His methods are like the opinions of my non-current events following friends, to them it's too easy to fix things. "Why don't they just do..." or "this could be fixed if so and so didn't just ...."
Needless to say these are my friends that also tend to doubt the moon landing, think 9/11 was an inside job, and are sure that vaccines and fluoride are socialist plots against us. Great to hand out with, work on cars or help on bigger projects on my farm but not ones to discuss books or news with.

Wonder if his son in law and daughter can prod him to not say anything too crazy though at this point I don't think that's possible. Anyone who can rail against china his whole campaign and then after a 10 minute conversation with their president be swayed to their opinion won't fair well in the muddle of the middle east.

Funny how he loves saying how he's working harder than any president before him, thing is he probably believes it. I'm certain that this is the hardest he's ever had to work in his life except that this time he can't wrap himself in a bubble of yes-men that his quality of work is the greatest. So many meetings and complex issues he probably never considered possible, far more difficult and complex than just a line of businesses using the branding of his hotel/casino chain and now failure/bankruptcy isn't really an option.

**HopAlongBunny** · 05-17-2017, 23:52

Special Counsel Robert Mueller named by DOJ.
Comey's predecessor as FBI director will apparently oversee the investigation into Russian meddling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/u...tion.html?_r=0

Calls for impeachment might be premature as Trump's frequent mouthing of "who knew" and "I just didn't know" are probably accurate.

**Greyblades** · 05-18-2017, 01:25

You scholars of legalism do know the charge of obstruction of justice requires him to actually obstruct justice right?

Nixon bribed people into silence, Lewis Libby and Barry Bonds lied under oath, Conrad Black confiscated evidence.

If the democrats, or god forbid the FBI, try to charge him with obstruction over saying "I hope you let this go" to the investigator they'd be laughed out of every court east of the nutty ninth.

**Montmorency** · 05-18-2017, 01:48

Originally Posted by Carl Bernstein, All the President's Men

Deep Throat stamped his foot. 'A conspiracy like this...a conspiracy investigation...the rope has to tighten slowly around everyone's neck. You build convincingly from the outer edges in, you get ten times the evidence you need against the Hunts and the Liddys. They feel hopelessly finished - they may not talk right away, but the grip is on them. Then you move up and do the same thing at the next level. If you shoot too high and miss, then everyone feels more secure. Lawyers work this way. I'm sure smart reporters must, too.'

Tee hee

**AE Bravo** · 05-18-2017, 01:57

Goddamn your references are ancient as hell all the time.

Dusty old posts you got there. ;)

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 05-18-2017, 02:25

Originally Posted by Greyblades

You scholars of legalism do know the charge of obstruction of justice requires him to actually obstruct justice right?

Nixon bribed people into silence, Lewis Libby and Barry Bonds lied under oath, Conrad Black confiscated evidence.

If the democrats, or god forbid the FBI, try to charge him with obstruction over saying "I hope you let this go" to the investigator they'd be laughed out of every court east of the nutty ninth.

Why not? His executive orders on refugees have been fought by the courts, in part, because of his campaign rhetoric -- why bother with content when you can KNOW in your heart that Trump is evil?

**Strike For The South** · 05-18-2017, 04:45

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Why not? His executive orders on refugees have been fought by the courts, in part, because of his campaign rhetoric -- why bother with content when you can KNOW in your heart that Trump is evil?

Why are you dying on this hill? Of all them men to defend, you choose the one setting fire to our institutions.

Greyblades, you are a Polemic to the point of being Hitchens without the wit or coherency.

**Greyblades** · 05-18-2017, 04:57

Your only contribution to this debate have been insults and ridicule, yet you would call me an incoherant polemic?

**Strike For The South** · 05-18-2017, 05:19

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Your only contribution to this debate have been insults and ridicule, yet you would call me an incoherant polemic?

Correct.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 05-18-2017, 18:53

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Why are you dying on this hill? Of all them men to defend, you choose the one setting fire to our institutions.

Not dying on that hill. Just pointing out the irrationality of that stuff as well. Trump's FoPo is reactive and full of grandstanding. His DoPo is stalled and much of his power neutered. He will spend more time defending his admin from self-inflicted wounds of the tongue than he will governing. I doubt impeachment, but the looming threat of it will also stifle his actions. The Dems lost both houses AND the White House, but THEY will drive what few policy advances are made, not the GOP.

But the activist judge stuff does get old. The first version of that order should have been bounced -- special treatment of Christians? -- but the second version was actually within the scope of exec authority.