Trump Thread

**drone** · 04-13-2018, 15:00

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

I find it amazing how much hope people attach to a politician as though the next one will somehow magically be the one to selflessly fight for all the issues that they want.

I think you have mistaken me for someone who actually believed Ryan's BS about fiscal responsibility, I never had much hope for the man in the first place. But for someone who railed against the overpowered executive, he acted like a freshman rep in one of the most powerful positions in the country.

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Ryan got the first tax reform bill since Reagan through the Congress and did so by dragging Trump along and keeping the reactionary wing of the GOP under check. What more of a mark could he make as Speaker (especially having to work with THIS President) than that? It is not as though Gingrich, Hastert, or Boehner accomplished anything more significant or of greater appeal to GOP voters.

He got a tax cut, not a reform. Tip O'Neill got a tax reform bill passed, Ryan just raided the treasury.

**rory_20_uk** · 04-13-2018, 15:12

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Ryan got the first tax reform bill since Reagan through the Congress and did so by dragging Trump along and keeping the reactionary wing of the GOP under check. What more of a mark could he make as Speaker (especially having to work with THIS President) than that? It is not as though Gingrich, Hastert, or Boehner accomplished anything more significant or of greater appeal to GOP voters.

If he bows out now he has options politically and otherwise. If he remains, he is tied to the current administration. If Trump suddenly becomes a President of legend (cannot calculate the odds against that, cannot count that high) then Ryan is done politically. As an outsider, presuming Trump does not become a legendary President, Ryan has options.

Dragged Trump along to give himself a massive tax cut to his personal empire? Tough journey I'm sure! Was A Republican Congress and President ever not going to award themselves a massive tax cut?

Yes, he's got options - and the ability to make probably millions in the meantime.

Originally Posted by drone

I think you have mistaken me for someone who actually believed Ryan's BS about fiscal responsibility, I never had much hope for the man in the first place. But for someone who railed against the overpowered executive, he acted like a freshman rep in one of the most powerful positions in the country.

Fair enough.

**HopAlongBunny** · 04-15-2018, 02:19

Cohen never went to Prague; that's his story and he's stickin' to it.
The Steele Dossier makes the accusation and it seems the assertion might have backing.
The Prague visit has something to do with meeting Russians and shady dealings (perhaps to the benefit of Trump) If it happened it could leave a mark, so to speak:

https://wonkette.com/632560/hey-mich...passport-again

If the cats out of the bag, he's a fool to continue denying the trip.
The story is one that we'll have to wait for everyone to "show their work":

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/172366...steele-dossier

**drone** · 04-17-2018, 03:09

Hannity.

Please, please, please let there be something he would have needed a "lawyer" like Cohen for...

**Hooahguy** · 04-20-2018, 02:06

I've been reading Comey's new book and enjoying it greatly. The man has a very interesting life story, plus a healthy amount of sass:

pg.87

I sympathized with him and told him so, but added that the 2001 opinion was so bad as to be "facially invalid." I said, "No lawyer could rely upon it."

From the windowsill came Addington's cutting voice: "I'm a lawyer and I did."

I didn't break eye contact with the vice president [Cheney]. "No good layer," I added.

**Montmorency** · 04-20-2018, 02:42

His Trump memos.

TLDR

**HopAlongBunny** · 04-22-2018, 01:09

While Trump's circus is interesting to watch, more important is the bill this administration will leave behind:

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...-coal-country/

The regulatory rollback will take along time to fix. Even worse, the effects on water, air and soil will require decades of recovery and clean-up.
Who will pay? Rarely the polluters, more often the gov't ie: the taxpayer. Even if dumping coal sludge doesn't harm you directly, you will end up paying for the clean-up.
All that sweet money generated from the "right to pollute"? As usual the bulk of it will go to a small number of people.
Hurray for the free-market! (?)