Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
People who decided the election (we both mean electoral college, right?) didn't CHOOSE ANYONE. According to the rules of the game they performed their duty - disregarded the will of the people who voted for Clinton in their states. And those people were more numerous in the whole country.
No, I meant the voters in those states like Michigan, who gave Trump the electoral college votes that made him win.

Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
We have never had a direct democracy. For the most part, our founders did not want such as it engenders demagoguery and even more pandering to the public than already occurs. With two exceptions, the EC is first past the post by state.

It really was supposed to be a collection of states working together on key issues and not one collective.
Yeah, it's more like a direct oligarchy either way, amirite? FPTP is a terrible system anyway, a lot of votes are just retroactively nullified when they might deserve at least a minority representation. And that's just the beginning of the complicated topic of how every citizen of the US somehow has a different weight applied to their political vote despite all the blabla of "we're all equals".
Perhaps rich Germans are more influential in everyday political life, but I do know that when it comes to elections, my vote is worth just as much as theirs or that of a Bavarian. And I will get some political representation even if the party of my choice doesn't win, perhaps even government representation instead of just opposition.

I don't hate your founding fathers, but the system they designed doesn't seem to work as intended or just doesn't work well anymore despite perhaps the best intentions.