Biden Thread

[ReluctantSamurai]

Forcing a pointless vote for a bill that won't pass wastes valuable time and only sows division within the party.

Forcing a pointless vote for a bill that won't pass wastes valuable time and only sows division within the party.

Bull. You force the vote to point out exactly who is responsible for millions of Americans not getting something better than slave wages for their work. As far as division within the Democratic Party, you'll have to do better than hyperbole.....

Voters care about what a party delivers, not what they attempt to deliver.

You just made my point for me, dude. How about a voter looking at this:

https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/sta...757250?lang=en

The federal minimum wage: 2009: $7.25/hour 2020: $7.25/hour That’s unconscionable. The House voted to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour and it’s time the Senate does the same.

That was on 9 Feb of this year.

Now you see this:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/harris...s_3710504.html

Vice President Kamala Harris will not attempt to overrule the Senate parliamentarian if she rules that a federal minimum wage increase cannot be enacted through a process known as budget reconciliation, according to White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain.

Would you, as a conscientious black voter in 2024, vote for this woman for president? Doubt it. Just another politician saying one thing and doing another...a clear case of what a politician claims they will deliver and what they actually deliver.

Manchin holds the cards, end of story. This is political power. If he doesn't want $15 min wage in the bill, then trying to override the parliamentarian, making him look like a jackass or the bad guy does nothing but make the party look ungovernable. It makes individual senators feel insecure about the respect they command. These things matter to the human individuals who are ultimately making these choices.

Sure enough, run up the white flag at the first sign of resistance. Manchin doing what he's doing already shows the Democratic Party is ungovernable. A president that can't get one or two senators in line with PARTY goals. If this behavior is allowed to continue unchallenged, how many more times in the next two years are we going to have this very same discussion about another bill? Manchin isn't god even in his own state:

https://newrepublic.com/article/1612...ots-organizing

Getting Manchin to listen, Frankenberry believes, will also involve getting Manchin to understand that supporting the Democratic agenda will allow him to have a potentially historic impact on his state. “I’m reminded about how government has helped West Virginia,” he says. “You had FDR right? You had JFK. Then you had Byrd—everything is named after Robert C. Byrd in West Virginia, because of the amount of infrastructure that he helped bring West Virginia. This is an opportunity, in our view, for Senator Manchin to really make his mark and really help deliver for West Virginia in a way that will give our citizens a future.”


At least one national organization is already ready to pounce and replace him if he doesn’t. On Tuesday, No Excuses PAC, a group founded by former Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez staffers Saikat Chakrabarti, Zack Exley, and Corbin Trent, announced it would be beginning a search for challengers to both Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema in 2024—an effort it will be publicizing and supporting through ad campaigns in West Virginia and Arizona. “No Excuses PAC was started a couple of weeks ago, when Senator Joe Manchin announced his objection to sending out checks for Covid relief,” Trent says. “And we decided that was an untenable position—we’d run on it, we’d won on it, and we’d better do it. And we wanted to run some ads and letters letting folks know where he stood there.”

“If Democrats can’t get it right, then they’re going to get replaced,” he continues. “I mean, Joe Manchin went from having pretty solid victories as a senator to barely winning, this last time, in 2018. It was two or three points. What’s happening there—just like where I’m from in Tennessee, just like you saw in Louisiana, just like you saw in Missouri a couple of cycles back with Claire McCaskill—is that the Democratic Party is losing its capacity to relate to people. They’ve got no idea what the hell is going on out here in the real world.” Trent says that No Excuses intends to engage with local organizations already working on the ground in both Arizona and West Virginia and spotlight them on their podcast.

Manchin's margin of victory was a little over 3% in 2018. He's not unassailable....

The GOP always says they have a better plan and they never do.

Nope...they don't have much in the way of planning for the future...but...they mostly deliver on their campaign promises. Tax cuts for the rich, conservative judges into federal seats, tougher immigration laws, and maybe they'll get ACA repealed in the near future.

What hurts the mega-bills is the fillibuster.

And there is ZERO chance to eliminate the filibuster. The sad result of getting your ass handed to you by Republicans this last election.

It is what it is, you should be spending your rage on local campaigns/politics rather than getting mad at a big tent party for not magically unifying on all issues to push the ideal agenda in a 50/50 Senate.

So keep my effing opinion about national politics to myself, and focus on Michigan? Now you're starting to sound like Gil.... And is the bar set so low at the "big tent party" that we'll accept anything just because this president isn't blowing up Twitter with his BS?