New patch announcement at .com

**Red Harvest** · 12-10-2004, 22:10

Originally Posted by ghostcamel

Without gaming only the largest companies would buy a PC above P3 800Mhz.

Agree about gaming driving the industry, but large companies wouldn't buy high end machines in any quantity. Larger corporations are the most likely to buy absolute crap desktops with Intel integrated chipsets. I've seen enough to be thoroughly unimpressed by corporate IT purchases. It would be more correct to say that only a few high end corporate users would have high end PC's, but the rest of the corporate beast (except the priviliged few at these same companies who spec their own machines) would be using the lowest common denominator. Dell is supplying most of the corporate desktops afterall.

**drone** · 12-10-2004, 22:45

Originally Posted by Kommodus
Dang... you bought an entire new PC, just so you could play this game? Don't you think that's a little obsessive? I mean, it's one thing to drop fifty dollars for a new computer game; it's another to spend hundreds of dollars just so you can own a computer that will run it. That doesn't seem worth it, unless the new computer is offering you significant other benefits.

Many people did this very thing for Doom 3. Had the chipmakers/graphics card companies loving life. I know several people who had waited to upgrade until it came out.

**eadingas** · 12-10-2004, 23:01

I don't think it's that unreasonable to expect some changes in the AI. Some of the bugs seem really easy to fix. Of course, I don't expect the AI suddenly get ten times smarter and become a real challenge on the campaign map and on battlemap, but I'd be very disappointed if they didn't address some of the most glaring and obvious bugs in the AI behaviour (we all know what I'm talking about :)

**zhuge** · 12-10-2004, 23:45

If we are getting only one shot at the patch, then it'd be great if we could get all those bugs/feature requests sorted out and summarized in 1 post. If I was a dev, I wouldn't want to wade through pages of text to see what I've missed. I've also seen devs asking for saved games to pin down causes for corruption and CTDs though I'm not sure if it's relevant for this game.

With an organized list with sections (ie battle bugs, town bugs, unit bugs and so on), we can easily refer to important issues and cut down on repeats. Even if the devs don't take care of it, an organized list means that modders can zero in on needed fixes more easily (we've already had some important fixes by Vercingetorix and Sinner, see forum index) and hopefully we will have yet more in future.

It's possible to get even heavily bugged games sorted out when there's good communication/cooperation between the players, the modders and the devs. One example was Temple of Elemental Evil. I hope we can do the same here.

**eadingas** · 12-10-2004, 23:57

There's already a quite comprehensive list at the .com. Last time I looked it had some 60+ issues, all very good and valid, I don't think there's need to repeat that here.

**zhuge** · 12-11-2004, 00:15

Originally Posted by eadingas

There's already a quite comprehensive list at the .com. Last time I looked it had some 60+ issues, all very good and valid, I don't think there's need to repeat that here.

Could you point me to the list. I can't seem to find it.

I've looked at
the general forum (http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm7)
and Tech Support (http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm26)

I remember there being a bug list but I think it's been unstickied?
Thanks.

P/S - Besides, I thought we had more than just 60 issues... anyway if we could merge both lists that wouldn't that be better

**TheDuck** · 12-11-2004, 07:26

Originally Posted by zhuge

Could you point me to the list. I can't seem to find it.

I've looked at
the general forum (http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm7)
and Tech Support (http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm26)

I remember there being a bug list but I think it's been unstickied?
Thanks.

P/S - Besides, I thought we had more than just 60 issues... anyway if we could merge both lists that wouldn't that be better

Its in the announcement section.

**Butcher** · 12-10-2004, 23:58

Personally, i don't mind mid january, as I will be spending christmas and new year with my family and girlfriend.. compared to that, a patch seems very unimportant at the moment!

Perspective, people..

**Goattail** · 12-12-2004, 03:33

I think they ment because of the time and work involved in QA they only have one shot putting the patch through QA and playtesting so have to get it right, I dont think they ment they only had one shot at making any patches period. Im sure we will see another patch if necessary or any left over issus/bugs will be addressed witnh the expansion pack and its inevitable patch.

**Oaty** · 12-12-2004, 06:25

Well if QA did their job right the first time, befor the release, there would'nt have been these bugs that needed fixing. DOH!!!!!!!

That's just a bit of a joke.

CA had a deadline, and I'm guessing the bugs in the game were horrendous at about August timeline, that they could'nt fix em all and have QA test it again.

Also a bit funny, The A.I. knows the range if arrows, do a bridge battle when they are defending. They will have the perfect distance down so your archers are out of range. Now use up all your arrows or withdraw. You'll notice that the A.I. will suddenly go to the edge of the bridge for a tighter defense. Too bad they ca'nt practice this in city warfare.

**Red Harvest** · 12-12-2004, 06:59

Originally Posted by oaty

Also a bit funny, The A.I. knows the range if arrows, do a bridge battle when they are defending. They will have the perfect distance down so your archers are out of range. Now use up all your arrows or withdraw. You'll notice that the A.I. will suddenly go to the edge of the bridge for a tighter defense. Too bad they ca'nt practice this in city warfare.

I've been noticing roughly the same thing.

**Colovion** · 12-12-2004, 08:00

I hope that the new patch will intrigue me into playing again, but it'll be tough. I would probably still be playing, but now 1.3 has to pull me away from HL2/CS:S and WoW. Had it been right in the first place I wouldn't be playing other games in the first place.

I hate it when creative works are put on a deadline. Game Developement teams really need to work more like a private art studio and less like Crime Scene investigators.

There shouldn't be any stress in making a computer game, it should be 100% talent of creativity. Games are entertainment like books or movies, I despise art forms being cannibalized by corporate entities and whoring them out... which is probably why I love VALVe's whole Steam system where they can distribute their own games - giving to the creators what truly belongs to them.

God Speed, Creative Assembly.

**SwordsMaster** · 12-15-2004, 13:49

come on guys, more whining? There are dozens of "a list of what needs to be patched" threads, I think they have it pretty clear already, specially considering that at the.com, TCW, and probably in a few more forums they are getting the same sort of threads. You are battering the same points over and over again.

Why dont you wait for it and THEN critizise?

IMO the game is so bugged and has the enormous amount of junk code it has because of all the pressure and that serious amount of "OH, IT WONT BE RELEASED TILL (insert date here) I CANT WAIT OMG" kind of posts. I think we all know how different the release dates and development times are on paper and then in real life. So the more you whine, more patches it will need.

Regards