bug fixed, patch delayed

[Brighdaasa]

The missile bug (where missile units still use the missile stats in melee instead of the melee stats) is fixed by CA now, but the patch needs to be retested now, so will be slightly delayed, says The Shogun at .com forums

Check for yourself


edit: elaborated on 'missile bug'

[Oaty]

Good to know that since it was found so late that they did not sluff it off. Some companies would ignore it and the only fix is either nothing or an expansion pack.

[Akka]

Good, I was afraid that it would be too late to be included in the patch. Better to wait one week and have it all fixed, than to get it one week sooner but still have known problems

[Ar7]

Great news

[frogbeastegg]

Excellent news, and it's very nice to see the game being given the support it deserves.

[Wishazu]

Thats fantastic news however will they ever slow down the unit death/kill rates, i find playing normal instead of arcade style still seems, well.... arcady, units get wiped out easy and insta routes are too easy to perform aswell. also, how do you get different avatars, im getting a lil bored of mine

[Wrangel]

Good, I was afraid that it would be too late to be included in the patch. Better to wait one week and have it all fixed, than to get it one week sooner but still have known problems

Totally agree! Hate it when they throw out patches just to get them out. Better wait and get it all right.

[King Azzole]

What missile bug

[Khorak]

Damn! *gets started on new Roman campaigns in order to get the most cheese factor possible from the bug* :D

[ulyanov]

This is great news - I'll be able to charge those blasted Chosen Archer Warbands and not get my Noble Cav nearly destroyed in the process.

It sounds like the Cav was using the lance in close combat, too - now they will change to swords, yay!

[Doug-Thompson]

This is great news - I'll be able to charge those blasted Chosen Archer Warbands and not get my Noble Cav nearly destroyed in the process.

Yes, but this will make the imbalance between cavalry and foot troops even greater.

Hopefully, that balance has been addressed in the rest of the patch.

[sunsmountain]

Well, Rome:TW can be called a moderate success already.

New players i speak with also experience some of the bugs & command issues (ordering a line forward across a bridge for example), but not nearly as many as me.

They really struggle with the financial model, and the squalor, and find that challenging. They enjoy the battles they play as they are easy to command.

It is mostly the fan base that has been negative/disillusioned during the last 4 months.


As for game balance, i hope this time spears actually work against horses. I think its a bit lame seeing triarii mowed down by light infantry. You almost believed me there....

[ulyanov]

What missile bug

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=42338

[EGO]

The missile bug (where missile units still use the missile stats in melee instead of the melee stats) is fixed by CA now, but the patch needs to be retested now, so will be slightly delayed, says The Shogun at .com forums

Check for yourself


edit: elaborated on 'missile bug'

Awwww.. does this mean no more uber archers?

[Red Harvest]

Awwww.. does this mean no more uber archers?

Hopefully in melee they won't be uber anymore... What they were toughest on was light/med cavalry because the defense was not so high for those types, so archers could inflict some really nasty attrition even though they didn't necessarily win in most cases.

Now if the archer hit percentage has not been cut by about half (or missile stats outright reduced by nearly that same amount) then we will still have uber archers when it comes to actually using their bows. The base archers get a 7 but in my tests, even 4 base missile attack is fairly powerful except against well armoured and shielded units. Then you add in typical campaign values of +2 experience, and +1 weapons the missile the would already be at 10, which is very deadly. The elites might as well have machine guns.

[Mr Frost]

...
Now if the archer hit percentage has not been cut by about half (or missile stats outright reduced by nearly that same amount) then we will still have uber archers when it comes to actually using their bows. The base archers get a 7 but in my tests, even 4 base missile attack is fairly powerful except against well armoured and shielded units. Then you add in typical campaign values of +2 experience, and +1 weapons the missile the would already be at 10, which is very deadly. The elites might as well have machine guns.

If their lethality bugs you , try messing with the frequency of attacks and lethality of hits .

{incase you don't already know}
Here is the Roman Archers stats from export_descr_unit.txt , with frequency coloured blue and lethality red

type roman archer
dictionary roman_archer ; Roman Archers
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Light_1
soldier roman_archer, 40, 0, 0.8
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, very_hardy
formation 1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 7, 2, arrow, 120, 40, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 3, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 0, 2, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 2, 0, 3, 0
stat_mental 4, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 200, 170, 20, 30, 190
ownership romans julii,romans brutii,romans scipii,romans senate


Most folk think the last number is frequency , but it is the second last {the number of 10th of a second between animation cycles I think} and the last is what governs pure killing power of a hit .
Lower the attack number , then reduce lethality and if that still isn't enough , increase frequency {even changing it by a mere 5 either way makes a big difference for melee units} . Just remember that frequency is more attacks if lower , less if number higher ; lethality more chance to kill on a hit if higher , less chance to kill if number lower .

The to test it , you could mod the Archer Auxillia attack number {really should be attack skill , as it is just the chance to hit} and range to be the same as your now more altered Roman Archer and set up a custom battle {or multi with a test partner} Vs some suitable target/s and observe the relative effectivness compared to what it was before {which altering the Aux like that would give for a useful prior benchmark} .

Personally , I like the archers etc {I only toned down the Auxillia Archers' range to 120 , most are still as origonal} , but you should get the same enjoyment out of this game as I do so I hope it can help .

[Paul Peru]

Well, I expected the patch to be out now that I return after secluding myself for 2 weeks on a remote island with my laptop and the great, spanking new version of BKB Super Mod for MTW. (plug)
Anywhew, this explains why my Armenian cats got spanked by those Parthian slingers several campaigns that I lost interest in after a couple of decades ago. What an appalling sentence that was, just there! Thankfully it was probably the first and last time for that sentence to be uttered in the entirety of human communication.

[Bartman]

What an appalling sentence that was, just there! Thankfully it was probably the first and last time for that sentence to be uttered in the entirety of human communication.

You talk while you type? I thought I was the only one....