Height Advantage

[AntiochusIII]

Has anyone figured out exactly what kind of bonuses they're giving for being higher in a fight?

That's because in M/M game, I use a smaller army of militia hoplite only (1st hoplite) to beat a large army of armoured hoplite (3rd) without losing a single unit because I'm higher on a steep battleground. This must only be a height advantage (not a single one! They beat the crap out of me with flat plain battles)

I managed to produce the same results in similar battles.

And I know it's harder to shoot at those higher than you.

But what is the exact benefits of height? Experts, please?

[Byzantine Prince]

I was wonderign the same thing. People say that there's no difference in arrows fired from different heights so i don't know about acual hand to hand fighting. It should have some extra power.

[drone]

Maybe related to the phalanx slope issues?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=43939 #23, it's been discussed in another thread as well. It appears that the phalanx "kill box" doesn't go high or low enough to handle slopes well.

[BeeSting]

Maybe related to the phalanx slope issues?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=43939 #23, it's been discussed in another thread as well. It appears that the phalanx "kill box" doesn't go high or low enough to handle slopes well.

You mean they can't angle their spears?

[drone]

You mean they can't angle their spears?

I think they keep them level with respect to gravity. Someone noticed that cav could charge down a slope and completely ignore (go over) the kill zone for a phalanx.

.... found the original...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=43253

I wonder if the phalanx kill box size is moddable...

[AntiochusIII]

Thanks, yeah, I think that's the problem.

Still, how come my poor militia guys slaughter them downhill? Is it because my spears can point downwards but theirs can't point upwards?

[Svean]

I seems to be another serious bug... sadly...

[screwtype]

It appears that the phalanx "kill box" doesn't go high or low enough to handle slopes well.

Another stupid little glitch. How did so many of them get through?

[BeeSting]

Red:

The charge factor does not counted for phalanx formation. You have to use your secondary weapon. So in this case, the AI did the right thing with its 50 charge bonus.

[Red Harvest]

Red:

The charge factor does not counted for phalanx formation. You have to use your secondary weapon. So in this case, the AI did the right thing with its 50 charge bonus.

No, it did not. When the *spear* charge bonus is 1 it makes no sense to charge (like I said I tested that as well as 50...both with 50 for the spear attack.) Plus when it is charging with swords it was getting a whopping 1 + 1 = 2. That is 25 times less than spear attack. And yes, they were charging with their little swords drawn.

I wonder if the same programmer did the trait triggers?

[BeeSting]

No, it did not. When the *spear* charge bonus is 1 it makes no sense to charge (like I said I tested that as well as 50...both with 50 for the spear attack.) Plus when it is charging with swords it was getting a whopping 1 + 1 = 2. That is 25 times less than spear attack. And yes, they were charging with their little swords drawn.

I wonder if the same programmer did the trait triggers?

Sorry if i didn't make myself clear. Let me reiterate: You don't get the charge bonus in phalanx formation, you have to be charging in standard formation to get it.

[Red Harvest]

Sorry if i didn't make myself clear. Let me reiterate: You don't get the charge bonus in phalanx formation, you have to be charging in standard formation to get it.

And as I said...having a 1 charge bonus is not much...the phalanx should be worth a lot more than that very small bonus or there would be no reason to ever use the phalanx formation. The unit would do better out of phalanx all the time. Yet it normally uses phalanx when it can. I tested both 50 and 1 for charge and it still did the dumbest thing possible.

I didn't mention that it managed to lose every fight...except the one where I mirrored its tactics. With 50/50 for spear attack/charge, it lost to cav with 7 attack--and by a huge margin.

[BeeSting]

And as I said...having a 1 charge bonus is not much...the phalanx should be worth a lot more than that very small bonus or there would be no reason to ever use the phalanx formation. The unit would do better out of phalanx all the time. Yet it normally uses phalanx when it can. I tested both 50 and 1 for charge and it still did the dumbest thing possible.

I didn't mention that it managed to lose every fight...except the one where I mirrored its tactics. With 50/50 for spear attack/charge, it lost to cav with 7 attack--and by a huge margin.

I don't see why and how a phalanx units should get charge bonus?

They were not meant to run and slam into an enemy line, no? Instead they were to steadily march to meet the enemy, then upon contact push with the weight of men in behind and level the enemy line like a lawnmower.

[BeeSting]

Also for cavs, have you tried increasing the charge range? It is set at the same distance as the infantry.

[Red Harvest]

Also for cavs, have you tried increasing the charge range? It is set at the same distance as the infantry.

No, haven't messed with it. Since the spears are projecting at least 25 meters short of this it shouldn't matter.