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    Here some information concerning Ducetius:

    Ducetius of Sicily (http://www.livius.org/do-dz/ducetius/ducetius.html)


    Ducetius (†440 BCE): native Sicilian leader who founded a state similar to that of the Greek tyrants on his island.

    The story of Ducetius is told by Diodorus of Sicily, a Greek historian of the late first century BCE. He uses an earlier source that can be identified with Timaeus of Tauromenion, again a Greek author. The inevitable result is, of course, that Diodorus's story is told from a Greek perspective. Ducetius is presented as a national leader of the native population of Sicily, the Sicels, and his career is seen as some sort of insurrection against the Greek settlers. This is probably incorrect. Ducetius's successes were possible because he copied Greek methods. He did not resist Greek culture, but was part of it.

    Among Ducetius's examples must have been the famous tyrant of Gela and Syracuse, Gelon. Together with Theron of Acragas he had started to unify the Sicilian towns in two big territorial states. In 480, the two tyrants had defeated their main opponents, Terillus of Himera and his Carthaginian ally Hamilcar, near Himera. One of Gelon's instruments to divide his opponents and tighten his grip on conquered territories had been to resettle people in newly founded towns. It had been very successful and although Gelon had died in 478, his brother Hiero continued this policy. After Hiero's death in 467, Syracuse became a democracy.

    There were some accompanying troubles, for example when war broke out between Syracuse and its former colony Catana. In 461/460, the Syracusans attacked the settlers, and received help from Ducetius, who bore a grudge against the Catanans as well, because they had occupied Sicel territories. The united armies captured Catana and divided its land. Its inhabitants were resettled in Aetna, southwest of Mount Etna.

    Ducetius proceeded to found a city of his own, called Menai, and occupied Morgantina. In 453/452, he had united almost all of the interior of Sicily in a new federation. The crowning achievement was another new city: Palikê, near the shrine of two geyser gods who were venerated by the Sicels. Palikê must have been an impressive site with very strong walls, and grew rapidly because runaway slaves were released once they had reached the sanctuary.

    After capturing Aetna, Ducetius made incursions into the territory of Acragas. By now, he had been active for some ten years and Acragas and Syracuse, old allies, decided to intervene (451). The first battle was undecided. In the next year, however, Ducetius was forced to flee, entered Syracuse -an unexpected action-, entered the market place, and sat down at the altars of the gods. The Syracusans felt uneasy. Ducetius had once been their ally and had done them nothing wrong; on the other hand, they could not leave him alone, because he was too powerful. He was therefore left alive, and sent to Corinth, the mother city of Syracuse. The Syracusans even paid his expenses.

    In 448/447, Ducetius escaped and returned, rose to power again, and started to pay attention to the north, understanding that Syracuse in the east and Acragas in the southwest were better left alone. (The two towns, without common enemy, immediately started a war.) Ducetius founded Kalê Aktê ("fair promontory"), which included not only Sicel settlers, but also Corinthians. This suggests that the city where he had been exiled supported his action. In 440, he fell ill during an attempt to unite the people of northern Sicily. His state disintegrated and his capital Palikê was sacked.


    I haven't had the opportunity to look at your map yet, but Acragas is the Roman Agrigentum, my home town in Sicily.

    The Siculi would be a good name for this faction, if you decide run with it.

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    try going to data/world/map/campaign/sicily/ and if there is a file named map.rwm, then delete it. This may clear up the problem, otherwise I don't knwo what could be wrong.
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    Thanks, I'll try that when I get home.

    I think I will just delete it all, and start over.

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    Well, basically you delete map.rwm because if there were any changes in the campaign since it was last generated, the campaign will crash. I don't know if the initial map causes problems, because I just deleted when I installed the map.

    I am not sure if deleting everything will help - that depends on where/what your problem is.
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    Deleting the map.rwm fixed it.

    Thanks for your help.

    One thing I spotted on the map, Herclea Minor should be called Herclea Minoa, it was named after the Cretan king Minos (he was buried there after he died in Sicily).

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    Is it very difficult to get rid of the winter snow?

    The only place you really find snow is on Mount Etna....

    Do I just edit the map_climates.tga ?
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    Yes, you just need to edit map_climates.tga

    use RGB 0 114 188 to get a non-snowing climate, same one as in Greece on the Imperial Campaign map, for a suggestion. The other climates are listed in one of the map tutorials...
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    you could add malta to it if you wanted to edit the map more also replace SPQR with Scipii and add in faction descriptions in v2.0 if you are making it

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    I can help with the native "Siculi" faction information, if you need it.

    The more I think about it, a Siculan faction probably wouldn't be a great idea this late 270's BC? We were pretty much Hellenized by this time.

    A second campaign set around 400 BC with Syracuse, Acragas (Agrigentum), Carthage, the Siculi, and the Brutii (not the family, the tribe in the toe of Italy) has some possibilities.

    I have the original Siculan names for many of the Sicilian cities, in my research papers somewhere. For example Syracuse was originally Suraka, and PLK is correct Enna should be Henna.

    I also have the Siculan names for their gods. Hadranus was the War god, The Palici were twin volcanic gods.

    Just let me know what you need....

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    That is exactly what I was thinking... except I would have had Bruttium as held by rebels... If we could get hold of a modeller to make a few units for the native Sicilians... SicilianVespers - what regions/settlements could there be in central Sicily other than Henna?

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    I'll have to dig out my maps, I'll will try to get you a list over the weekend.

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    Default Re: Sicily Campaign Map

    Here are a few possibilities:

    Engyum - Half way between Henna and Halaesa, but west of both.

    Motyum - West of Henna, and half way between Henna and Akragas.

    Inycum - North west of Akragas.

    Paropus - South of Himera and Thermae, and east of Hippana.

    How many cities are you looking to add?

    Concerning Agrigentum, if the campaign is pre-Roman, the name should be Akragas. It's name was changed (latinized?) to Agrigentum after it became a Roman colony, so if you make a 400's BC campaign, I would call it Akragas.

    If I can do anything else, just let me know.

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    i to cant get this to work. i select a faction, hit begin campaign and its a ctd.
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    First, try going to \data\world\maps\campaign\sicily and deleting the file map.rwm, this is usually the problem.
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    Thanks I'm trying that now...oh also is thjeir a description for the campaign? I copy pasted the stuff from the readme where it told me to but when I select the campaign it just says no description. no biggie tho...neway....

    yup that worked. thanks. Im so dumb, when I posted this reply last night I didnt even realize there was 2 pages of replies lmao.
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    There is no way (that anyone has discovered yet...) to get faction descriptions to work :(

    Anyhow, here's the start of the 400 BC campaign:
    The Italian section looked rather too big for just the two regions so I did a google search for Greek colonies in Bruttium (or Magna Graecia) and added some extra cities. Strictly speaking Kaulonia should probably be just off the map to the east but I thought I'd squeeze it on there anyway... Annoyingly, the radar is squashed because the map has different proportions to the imperial campaign. Interestingly, the prologue campaign gets round this - anyone know how to get the minimap to display like the prologue one?

    Last edited by Spoonfrog; 05-18-2005 at 20:58.

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    And in winter:



    By the way, ignore the Messana bit of the map visible on the left - I have only done the Italian bit so far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonfrog
    There is no way (that anyone has discovered yet...) to get faction descriptions to work :(

    Anyhow, here's the start of the 400 BC campaign:
    The Italian section looked rather too big for just the two regions so I did a google search for Greek colonies in Bruttium (or Magna Graecia) and added some extra cities. Strictly speaking Kaulonia should probably be just off the map to the east but I thought I'd squeeze it on there anyway... Annoyingly, the radar is squashed because the map has different proportions to the imperial campaign. Interestingly, the prologue campaign gets round this - anyone know how to get the minimap to display like the prologue one?
    The description that doesn't work is that of the campaign. Faction descriptions are fine.

    For the radar map, you have two options:
    1) delete radar_map1 and radar_map2 from the imperial campaign to eliminate the background full map

    2) prepare two new radar_maps of Sicily with the correct dimensions (see the tutorials). Depending on the size, it will be shown with no distorsion, although either too small or too big (some part won't be visible).

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    Yeah sorry I meant campaign description not faction description

    Thanks for the help I'll try that...


    EDIT: Worked...



    Thanks monkwarrior
    Last edited by Spoonfrog; 05-19-2005 at 07:49.

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    Where can I download this mod? The link above dose not work.

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