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**BeeSting** · 03-17-2005, 23:53

So should we beg, or better yet, play it off as nothing is wrong so we could please the demigods of CA enough to have them release another patch, for free?

**SpencerH** · 03-18-2005, 00:53

Has another of my posts disappeared? It included a witty analogy about monkeys throwing fruit at a smiling man in a suit. If anyone sees it maybe they could let me know where it is. That way I'll know that I dont have to book myself in to the 'happy house' for some rest.

The disappearance before this one (if it happened) was in the particular thread referenced by Kraxis above (definitely a good read). I know that Kukrikhan made that one disappear so I'm not worried about early-onset alzheimers with that one. Its a pity that my pithy remarks were missed though. As with Old Celt, I too have problems with condescending comments made by a certain CA employee. The fact that they were in response to the rabid ravings of disgruntled youth is irrelevant. Either you have a forum for discussion (good and bad) or you dont.

PS I'm saving this one so that I dont become confused as to whether I indeed wrote it (in case it too vanishes).

**Pode** · 03-18-2005, 03:55

I am so bloody tired of hearing about how it's impossible to have release software that's bug free. I work in unmanned aircraft design. The budget for a lot of my projects is comparable to the development budget for a medium game, let alone the blockbuster everyone expected RTW to be, and I have to include the hardware design and fab cost too. Over two decades, yeah, we've lost our share of prototype birds to software glitches, mistakes happen. But you bet your ass by the time it leaves my shop it damn well works like a charm for 5 or 6 times the design life of the airframe without a software crash. Manned aviation has been writing 100% bug free software using V&V autocoders for 20 years. Fly by wire doesn't mean the pilot pulls on a bunch of strings, you know.
But the stakes are different, games don't kill people if they mess up. Fine, but the dollar cost is far from trivial and that can get you fired just as fast. More important, it's not like bug free gaming doesn't happen. When was the last time you got a patch for your console game? Oh, yeah, they can't patch them, so they have to . . . drum roll . . . get it right the first time. Don't tell me it can't be done.

**tai4ji2x** · 03-18-2005, 05:40

well, consoles are standardized equipment, so they don't also have to test for driver/hardware incompatibilities, etc. i bet a lot of the time for testing goes to compatibility issues alone.

i have no problem with slightly or even very buggy game software - as long as there is a commitment to support it afterwards, which CA seems unwilling/unable to do for whatever reasons, legitimate or not.

**Aetius the Last Roman** · 03-18-2005, 08:16

When was the last time you got a patch for your console game? Oh, yeah, they can't patch them, so they have to . . . drum roll . . . get it right the first time. Don't tell me it can't be done.

Hail to Pode,
great point.

**Ulfang** · 03-18-2005, 16:22

Originally Posted by Aetius the Last Roman

Hail to Pode,
great point.

Lets not forget that Console's aren't exactly brimming with Strategy games which are generally the sort of games you are needing patches for. Since when do you get a patch for an arcade game? lol.

I'm not happy about this Sega takeover and it does look like its a move aimed at making Console strategy games with ooo arrr great combo moves ... bam .. splat... I'm Spartan Totally Kick ass Awsome Warrior Dude!
I find this very worrying. Admittedly its a bit early to comment as we haven't seen anything of the game yet other than the blurb but the sound of it depresses me! Sounds very much like Kingdom Under Fire Crusaders! Fast Action, nice graphics and hack n slash battles. To me this is totally the opposite to what the Total War series was made for! Its a Wargame not a mix of Arcade Action and Strategy! Infact i'm off to .com now to moan lol

At least we still have the org :)

**screwtype** · 03-27-2005, 12:34

Originally Posted by Pode

More important, it's not like bug free gaming doesn't happen. When was the last time you got a patch for your console game? Oh, yeah, they can't patch them, so they have to . . . drum roll . . . get it right the first time. Don't tell me it can't be done.

True, but then, they charge half as much again for console games.

**Zatoichi** · 03-18-2005, 17:52

Originally Posted by SpencerH

Has another of my posts disappeared? It included a witty analogy about monkeys throwing fruit at a smiling man in a suit. If anyone sees it maybe they could let me know where it is. That way I'll know that I dont have to book myself in to the 'happy house' for some rest.

The disappearance before this one (if it happened) was in the particular thread referenced by Kraxis above (definitely a good read). I know that Kukrikhan made that one disappear so I'm not worried about early-onset alzheimers with that one. Its a pity that my pithy remarks were missed though. As with Old Celt, I too have problems with condescending comments made by a certain CA employee. The fact that they were in response to the rabid ravings of disgruntled youth is irrelevant. Either you have a forum for discussion (good and bad) or you dont.

PS I'm saving this one so that I dont become confused as to whether I indeed wrote it (in case it too vanishes).

Ha ha. Yes, you posted the monkey thing in a thread I started about Sega taking over CA (it dropped off the radar when it approached 3 pages). Oh well. Can I just say I like reading all this venting? Does that make me a bad person? Even if I can't agree with everyones' interesting and informed opinions, it's still jolly good fun.

For the sake of your sanity SpencerH, here's a link to that thread:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=44665

**SpencerH** · 03-18-2005, 19:55

Originally Posted by Zatoichi

For the sake of your sanity SpencerH, here's a link to that thread:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=44665

Thanks for that. At my age its easy to lose track of whats where, especially since these threads have been mixing topics between between the Sega buyout of CA (I'm hopefully positive), Spartan TW (I'm looking forward to more info), and the RTW bug problem (I'm thoroughly pissed off). Sometimes its hard for other readers to know just where anyone stands on these issues so flame wars arise over misunderstandings. We may need little icons to identify what we do and dont support.