Jebus.

**Mikeus Caesar** · 06-16-2005, 21:37

My friend told me yesterday that he had finally played a game to a point further than 0 AD. On telling me this, i asked him if the Birth of Jebus was a historical event, and, he replied yes, saying it happens in (yep, you guessed it) 0 AD. I was just wondering, but is there actually a grain of truth in this? And why would CA include this event, which could so easily not have happened if the Romans hadn't come to power. After all, the Romans had the Census which brought Mary to Bethlahem, which led the Three Kings there. After all, if the Egyptians or some neighbouring faction had been in control at the time, they wouldn't have had the Census, which would mean Jebus would stay wherever Mary and Joseph lived, which would have meant no one would have known of his birth. This raises a lot of questions...

**BrutalDictatorship** · 06-16-2005, 21:43

Jebus? lmao

**bodidley** · 06-16-2005, 21:44

Hmmm, aside from the fact that Jesus was born in 1 A.D. and that 0 A.D. is not a date

I have to say it's no less improbable of an event than any historical event they decided to put into the game. One has to remember that the probability of any individual being born at all is very slim, since it hinges on the exact right gametes being there at the exact right time, and any inventor, philosopher, politician, or general might have taken a different course in life anyhow.

**BrutalDictatorship** · 06-16-2005, 21:48

I still want to know who "Jebus" is?

**Mikeus Caesar** · 06-16-2005, 21:52

Jebus = Jesus. Anyways, 0 AD was close to 1 AD, wasn't it?

Originally Posted by bodidley

Hmmm, aside from the fact that Jesus was born in 1 A.D. and that 0 A.D. is not a date I have to say it's no less improbable of an event than any historical event they decided to put into the game. One has to remember that the probability of any individual being born at all is very slim, since it hinges on the exact right gametes being there at the exact right time, and any inventor, philosopher, politician, or general might have taken a different course in life anyhow.

Precisely what i was trying to say. I'm just not very good at saying things. Anyway, first that particular historical person has to be born. What if history had taken a different path, and Jebus' ancestors had been killed by Marauding Romans back when that particular region was conquered? Obviously, he wouldn't have been born. And even if he had been born, what if his family had been made into slaves by the Romans, and were somewhere else in the empire, such as Spain, or France? They definately won't make it to Bethlehem for the Census.

**Mongoose** · 06-16-2005, 21:54

I still want to know who "Jebus" is?

He is the masibus...

**Monk** · 06-16-2005, 21:54

Originally Posted by BrutalDictatorship

I still want to know who "Jebus" is?

"Hey did anyone else notice this? on page 375 it says "Jebus"."

"...it's supposed to be Jesus, right?"

Sorry, couldn't resist. Anyway, no. I highly doubt this is true. The game doesn't extend to the time when he began his following so why would the game announce his birth?

**Mikeus Caesar** · 06-16-2005, 22:01

Originally Posted by Monk

Sorry, couldn't resist. Anyway, no. I highly doubt this is true. The game doesn't extend to the time when he began his following so why would the game announce his birth?

I don't know why the game would announce his birth. Maybe because it's one of the most historical events in human history?

**Gregorius Vecchius** · 06-16-2005, 22:04

Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar

I don't know why the game would announce his birth. Maybe because it's one of the most historical events in human history?

how can something be 'more historical'? either it's historical, or it's not, no?

**asilv** · 06-16-2005, 21:54

Originally Posted by BrutalDictatorship

I still want to know who "Jebus" is?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=12521

**Gregorius Vecchius** · 06-16-2005, 22:02

Originally Posted by bodidley

Hmmm, aside from the fact that Jesus was born in 1 A.D. and that 0 A.D. is not a date

I have to say it's no less improbable of an event than any historical event they decided to put into the game. One has to remember that the probability of any individual being born at all is very slim, since it hinges on the exact right gametes being there at the exact right time, and any inventor, philosopher, politician, or general might have taken a different course in life anyhow.

Actually I hear it was something like 5 or 6 BC, which makes the term BC in itself kinda ... wrong.

**The Stranger** · 06-17-2005, 15:01

Originally Posted by Gregorius Vecchius

Actually I hear it was something like 5 or 6 BC, which makes the term BC in itself kinda ... wrong.

yes yes. i think 1 year before christ was born is still 1 BC no matter if the actual year was 2900000000

**Uriel** · 06-17-2005, 15:24

Actually, if you take the gospels as historically accurate, Jesus could have been born no later than 4BC. Why? Herod the Great (Mr baby killer himself) died around Spring 4BC. Some historians and biblical commentators think that he could have been born as early as 12BC but the genral consensus is around 5 or 6 BC.

This is why we now tend to use CE (Current Era) rather than BC. It's not just people being PC.

Oh - and the years went 2BC, 1BC, 1AD, 2AD etc (but I'm pretty sure they didn't call them that at the time.

**Rodion Romanovich** · 06-17-2005, 15:45

Originally Posted by Uriel

Actually, if you take the gospels as historically accurate, Jesus could have been born no later than 4BC. Why? Herod the Great (Mr baby killer himself) died around Spring 4BC. Some historians and biblical commentators think that he could have been born as early as 12BC but the genral consensus is around 5 or 6 BC.

This is why we now tend to use CE (Current Era) rather than BC. It's not just people being PC.

Oh - and the years went 2BC, 1BC, 1AD, 2AD etc (but I'm pretty sure they didn't call them that at the time.

I think 2 BC is the most popular one. Based on astronomy they've also found evens that could be the big star. One took place during midsummer and another one around the 25th of December that same year.

**Franconicus** · 06-17-2005, 15:57

Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar

My friend told me yesterday that he had finally played a game to a point further than 0 AD. On telling me this, i asked him if the Birth of Jebus was a historical event, and, he replied yes, saying it happens in (yep, you guessed it) 0 AD. I was just wondering, but is there actually a grain of truth in this? And why would CA include this event, which could so easily not have happened if the Romans hadn't come to power. After all, the Romans had the Census which brought Mary to Bethlahem, which led the Three Kings there. After all, if the Egyptians or some neighbouring faction had been in control at the time, they wouldn't have had the Census, which would mean Jebus would stay wherever Mary and Joseph lived, which would have meant no one would have known of his birth. This raises a lot of questions...

Mikeus,
it had to be the way it was. It was told by the prophets and written in the book. Nothing could have changed it. It was HIS plan from the very beginning!