Results 1 to 20 of 20

Thread: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

  1. #1
    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Athens, GA
    Posts
    7,588

    Default Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Come on in, Al-Queda!

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162199,00.html

    I can't believe this crap. Who controls our border policy, the INS or Vicente Fox & the CEO of Wal-Mart?

    It's harder for an American citizen to get on a plane from Cleveland to Chicago then it is for your average terrorist to get from Pakistan to Phoenix, Arizona, provided he's smart enough to go to Mexcio first. Geez, I hope they never figure that trick out...
    "A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
    Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.

    "Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
    Strike for the South

  2. #2

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    This correlates to my argument about vast numbers of immigrants changing a society.

    Politicians on both sides of the isle are so worried about getting on the bad side of mexican immigrants that they are willing to put the nation at risk.

  3. #3
    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Athens, GA
    Posts
    7,588

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Don't kid yourself. Republicans are in this for cheap labor. They know immigrants always vote Democrat for the 1st generation. They don't know any better yet
    "A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
    Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.

    "Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
    Strike for the South

  4. #4

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    I dont know.. the Bush camp doesnt seem to want to concede the latino vote like the blacks.

  5. #5

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Of course cheap labor is a large part of it aswell..

  6. #6
    Alienated Senior Member Member Red Harvest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Searching for the ORG's lost honor
    Posts
    4,657

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Yes it is a problem. However, if we are really concerned about it we are going to have to keep the bulk of these people incarcerated until they can be deported. Obviously, if we do that it will reduce porosity of the border, because being locked up for months or years, then deported is not a very attractive welcome mat for illegal immigration. The question is, are we and our fellow citizens willing to fund such measures? Seems crazy to me that we are releasing 85% of them. It is going to be hard to tell Mexico they need to do something about it when we won't even deal with the ones we catch.
    Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.

  7. #7
    The very model of a modern Moderator Xiahou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    in the cloud.
    Posts
    9,007

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    The real kicker to me is, aside from all of the problems it causes us, is that it allows Fox to keep passing his own problems on to us. His government is corrupt and ineffecient, it can't provide jobs or basic services to his citizens. How do he solve it? Put out instructional pamphlets on how to sneak into the US. Our open border enables his failed policies.
    "Don't believe everything you read online."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  8. #8
    Alienated Senior Member Member Red Harvest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Searching for the ORG's lost honor
    Posts
    4,657

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Xiahou,

    You might want to reread the article. It is not about illegal Mexican immigrants as there is a return policy in place and apparently working for that, it is about non-Mexican illegal immigrants using Mexico as a conduit. I'm not sure how Mexico can stop that since it isn't being done legally anyway. It didn't sound like Mexico was facilitating their crossing the border (any more than Canada does.) As it also says in the article, US laws require a hearing for non-Mexicans being returned. So even if Mexico would accept them (and why should they, the people are not Mexican citizens), we need to be able to hold them during the interim while they await hearings. Yet we don't fund INS holding facilites to do it. So if we want to do something about it, we need to develop a plan and fund it--and work with Mexico on how to prevent it in the first place.
    Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.

  9. #9
    The very model of a modern Moderator Xiahou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    in the cloud.
    Posts
    9,007

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Red, my point still stands. By our lack of action we're endangering our security and enabling Fox's corrupt regime.
    "Don't believe everything you read online."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  10. #10
    boy of DESTINY Senior Member Big_John's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    OB
    Posts
    3,752

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    i just want to point out that this is a fantastic smiley to use in this thread.


    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

  11. #11
    Member Member Alexander the Pretty Good's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    New Jersey, USA
    Posts
    4,979

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    I think we should build a wall across the southern border, like Israel did. We pay for it by putting on the deficit, or even better, cut spending from somewhere. As a plus, we can use immigrant labor to do it, and all workers become citizens. There would be a large but manageable gate in every border state where you go from the US to Mexico and vice versa. Those gates would need to process a whole lot of people, but if it helped, I think it would be worth it.

    It'll never happen.

  12. #12
    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Athens, GA
    Posts
    7,588

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    How would you man such a wall? Aside from which, even if we kept it all on our property (which Israel did not) I guarantee you some Lefty judge would find it unconstitutional on some grounds and order it torn down.

    Nope, our legal system (politicians and courts) is bound and determined to allow any and all in.
    "A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
    Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.

    "Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
    Strike for the South

  13. #13
    Member Member Alexander the Pretty Good's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    New Jersey, USA
    Posts
    4,979

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Man the wall with local volunteers, who would be made into official border guards or something. It would be expensive, and someone would come in and poke legal holes through it. And the UN would probably combust over that "human rights abuse" - which would be funny but not helpful.

  14. #14
    Scruffy Looking Nerf Herder Member Steppe Merc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    New Jersey, USA
    Posts
    7,907

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    But how would you stop people besides the wall? Would you stoop to shooting them if they tried and cross?
    It is a problem, and most of it is because of cheap labor. No idea how to stop it though.

    "But if you should fall you fall alone,
    If you should stand then who's to guide you?
    If I knew the way I would take you home."
    Grateful Dead, "Ripple"

  15. #15
    The very model of a modern Moderator Xiahou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    in the cloud.
    Posts
    9,007

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    You're also forgetting that walls drive the environmentalist whackos crazy. That's part of the reason why we can't even manage a complete chainlink fence.. if interferes with wildlife migration.

    I said it in another thread, but my idea is put up predator drones over the border to spot illegals and back them up with periodic border patrol stations to round up the illegals when spotted. It wouldn't be 100%, but it'd be alot better than what we have now.
    Last edited by Xiahou; 07-13-2005 at 23:13.
    "Don't believe everything you read online."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  16. #16
    Needs more flowers Moderator drone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Moral High Grounds
    Posts
    9,228

    Post Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    I'm not so sure the wall thing is going to work, they find tunnels across (or rather under) the border all the time.
    The .Org's MTW Reference Guide Wiki - now taking comments, corrections, suggestions, and submissions

    If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
    Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat

    "Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur

  17. #17
    Alienated Senior Member Member Red Harvest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Searching for the ORG's lost honor
    Posts
    4,657

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Yep, tunnels would be difficult.

    I would be interested to see the budget estimate for such a wall, and what it will cost to man it and maintain it. Most of it would run through areas that are very sparsely inhabited. I don't think you will find many volunteers to spend months (or even a few days) manning a wall in BFE that will take several hours to drive to and have no facilities. And what would the volunteers be allowed to do? Carry weapons? Shoot? Arrest? It's going to take some training and certification for sure.

    Makes more sense to me to fund the INS with sufficient space to house those who are caught, get the OTM illegals a hearing quickly, and get their butts packing toward their home country ASAP.

    And I suppose if we put one up with Mexico, then we need to do the same with Canada.
    Rome Total War, it's not a game, it's a do-it-yourself project.

  18. #18
    Lord of the House Flies Member Al Khalifah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    The Golden Caliphate
    Posts
    1,644

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Man the wall with local volunteers, who would be made into official border guards or something.
    I'd be very afraid of a man who volunteers for this job, bearing in mind the nature of the job that is being described. I don't think I'd trust them somehow.
    Cowardice is to run from the fear;
    Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
    Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
    But to hold the line anyway.

  19. #19
    Master of useless knowledge Senior Member Kitten Shooting Champion, Eskiv Champion Ironside's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,902

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
    I'd be very afraid of a man who volunteers for this job, bearing in mind the nature of the job that is being described. I don't think I'd trust them somehow.
    Well over 90% of the time you'll be doing nothing. Some people actually like that (personally, it drives me nuts after a while). The downside is that you're in a hot desert in the middle of no were.

    But it will never happen as the wall would be 3,141 km long (the great wall is 6,700 km) and manned. It would be quite expensive.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

    Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7
    Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467
    TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED

  20. #20
    Lord of the House Flies Member Al Khalifah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    The Golden Caliphate
    Posts
    1,644

    Default Re: Bending over for Vicente Fox & Big Business has put this country at grave risk

    The point I was trying to make is, if you went around asking:

    "Hey, anybody want to come and protect our border from illegal immigrants?"

    You might end up with a mob of biggotted maniacs.
    Cowardice is to run from the fear;
    Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
    Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
    But to hold the line anyway.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO