Nixon vs. Clinton

[drone]

You can't really list any meaningful economic moves by Clinton, because he didn't do anything. That just happened to be the correct thing to (not) do. He could have derailed the boom, but instead the country kind of ran itself. I guess his one accomplishment was appointing Alan Greenspan.

[Reverend Joe]

Okay, to begin:
Clinton was too centralist to me, so he's not my favorite (that would be Theodore Roosevelt). However, he did manage to eliminate the deficit and create a sirplus for the first time in almost a century, after which Georgie the Genius promptly blew it, creating the largest deficit in US history.

Nixon, on the other hand, was a secret Facist. He promised to get our trops out of vietnam, and he did- by moving them into Cambodia. He was FORCED out of Vietnam by public opinion; if the populace had not turned against the war, he would have poured more and more troops and money into Vietnam. He also did a lot of backdoor work to promote the conservative cause; it wasn't just Watergate.
Also, his first vice president, Spiro Agnew, was a slimy f**ker who was nabbed on tax fraud.

Of course, I don't expect you to be satisfied, but I am not really up-to-date on the Nixon years enough to really flesh out how awful this guy was. Sorry to leave you hanging.

Edit: almost forgot to list the one person I would love to see as our next president:



State health care, here we come!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

However, he did manage to eliminate the deficit and create a sirplus for the first time in almost a century,

Do any of you liberals listen? How did Clinton cause this to happen? Your spouting the same crap as all the rest. The economy was good under him. First off in his second term it wasnt. In his first term he was riding a false market bubble that he didnt create but did all he could to maintain. Again tell what programs of his led to this increase in our economy. Im all ears. Bye the way there was also never any surplus. Just a projected one and he was in no way responsible for that either. Congress was.

I was expecting an impressive list to match that of the crook Nixon from the greatest president ever that you all ballyhooed for years. Come on tell me how wonderful he was again.

[Reverend Joe]

GAAAAAH!!!!!!!

NO! NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!

I am not talking about the Market- I have no earthly idea how that goddamn quagmire works. I am talking about the FEDERAL BUDGET!!!

THAT is an entirely governmental matter, and it takes a president and his financial advisors to make changes to a budget. Yes, we cannot connect Clinton to an era of market growth. But the federal budget is ENITRELY the domain of THAT president.

You happy now? You made me snap.

Edit: also, Clinton was not that wonderful. I told you, he was much too right-wing for me.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

[QUOTEI am not talking about the Market- I have no earthly idea how that goddamn quagmire works. I am talking about the FEDERAL BUDGET!!!

THAT is an entirely governmental matter, and it takes a president and his financial advisors to make changes to a budget. Yes, we cannot connect Clinton to an era of market growth. But the federal budget is ENITRELY the domain of THAT president.

You happy now? You made me snap.[/QUOTE]

Im afraid your wrong . Try again. The reason a surplus was projrcted was the balanced budget amendment that Clinton vetoed as many times as he could. When he ran out of vetoes the republican congress forced it down his throat kicking and screaming. Now he and the Dems take credit for it since it happened on his watch. Its quite humourous hearing them claim to be the party of fisical responsiblity. Calm down and look at the facts. His policies didnt kick in untill his secong term during which the economy went down not up.

[Reverend Joe]

Wait- what do you mean, projected? There was a solid sirplus at the end of his term, and that is the one that George and the Republicans blew within two years. Anyway, the accepted budget was a compromise; it wasn't the budget the Republicans had wanted origionally.

Or was it?

Damnit, I'm out of my element. I don't know enough about recent history to carry on this argument. Besides, I am arguing for a guy I don't particularly like; it's just that he is better than Nixon.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Wait- what do you mean, projected? There was a solid sirplus at the end of his term, and that is the one that George and the Republicans blew within two years

There was no surplus at the end of his term. It never accumulated. It was projected.

Anyway, the accepted budget was a compromise; it wasn't the budget the Republicans had wanted origionally.

Were not talking the budget but the balanced budget amendment. He said it couldnt be done and vetoed it many times. Hes only allowed so many vetoes.The will of the people shall be done