Abortion

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Take a good look at this picture. It's one of the most remarkable photographs ever taken. The tiny hand of a foetus reaches out from a mother's womb to clasp a surgeon's healing finger. It is, by the way, 21 weeks old, an age at which it could still be legally aborted. The tiny hand in the picture above belongs to a baby which is due to be born on December 28. It was taken during an operation in America recently. Paul Harris reports on a medical development in the control of the effects of spina bifida ... and on a picture which will reverberate through the on-going abortion debate here

Your first instinct is to recoil in horror. It looks like a close-up of some terrible accident. And then you notice, in the centre of the photograph, the tiny hand clutching a surgeon's finger.

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[yesdachi]

Picture says a thousand words.

[Petrus]

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The photoshop painting is still fresh on your propaganda picture.

Do you really think you can make your position acceptable to people by systematically lying to them and to appeal only to their emotions, never to their reasoning?

If this is it the only way you found to make your point, then it must be specially wrong, whatever it can be.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

The photoshop painting is still fresh on your propaganda picture.

Are you trying to say this photo is fake?

Do you really think you can make your position acceptable to people by systematically lying to them and to appeal only to their emotions, never to their reasoning?

So you do think its fake and that the story is a lie?

If this is it the only way you found to make your point, then it must be specially wrong, whatever it can be.

The only way? Have you been following this thread or read any of my posts on the topic over the last few years. My only way. Thats a laugh.

As was said a picture is worth a thousand words. You just cant handle the truth.

[drone]

Real or fake, this photo doesn't really mean anything. Infants (even premature ones) all have the grasping reflex. This is built in along with the sucking reflex. These these are not conscious actions, but reflexes built in for the survival of the very young. Run anything along the palm of a newborn's hand, and he/she will clamp down. It is an cool picture, but if it gets misinterpreted for the purposes of political protest, it becomes propaganda.

Now if you want to debate whether baby reflexes are a sign of being "alive", I'll let someone else take that one over...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Now if you want to debate whether baby reflexes are a sign of being "alive", I'll let someone else take that one over...

That was my point. That and looking at that picture how can you deny the humanity there?

[Ser Clegane]

Judging from the reactions to the picture I can only assume that a number of people think that abortion in week 21 is OK.

Usually I dislike the frequent use of such pictures in abortion discussions, as they usually represent phases of a pregnancy in which the majority of the pro-choice faction would clearly oppose an abortion

Of course there seem to be some exceptions...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Usually I dislike the frequent use of such pictures in abortion discussions, as they usually represent phases of a pregnancy in which the majority of the pro-choice faction would clearly oppose an abortion

Me too. Their usually done for shock value. Much like showing a beheading. This though is a picture of joy and hope not disgust and death.

[Petrus]

Are you trying to say this photo is fake?

So you do think its fake and that the story is a lie?

The only way? Have you been following this thread or read any of my posts on the topic over the last few years. My only way. Thats a laugh.

As was said a picture is worth a thousand words. You just cant handle the truth.

A picture can stand a billion words and still have no meaning.

In the case of fetus pictures, this is but a show, not an information.

You can find real pictures of 20 weeks old fetus and know nothing about their developpement.

At this age, they can, under some circumstances, remain alive without their mother.

Which means that you chose for your example the show of a supposed abortion which is illegal except under the direst circumstances concerning the mother's life.

By this way you illustrate abortion with an image that does not concern abortion and that is specially designed to make feel horror to it's viewers.

Is it what you call the truth?

If you want to fight/defend abortion, i do not understand how you can pretend to do it with this kind of supposed argument.

Are you writing for sheeps or for responsible individuals?

And yes i have read your posts in this thread and i think they stand at the same level, you mix links of pure propaganda with other that contain informations, you quote statements after shorting them and without explaining them, you never develop your arguments to their full extand, in fact you seem to play in a show, not in a debate, you do not try to convince, only to make already convinced readers confortable.

I ignore wether this is limited to this thread or not but your attitude concerning others pain and the way you treat it is disgusting in this very threat.