Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Petrus,
Is it your point that Gawain is manipulating people's emotions by showing a photograph that implies the fetus is aware and grateful of the doctor's aid, when in reality it's simply executing an instinctual reaction? If so, you have a point.
This was the point of my post on reflex action. I'm not intending to make judgements about the state of awareness of a unborn at any stage in pregnancy, because I just don't know it. And neither does anyone else.

Quote Originally Posted by meatwad
I have a hard understanding why Rightists are so vehemently opposed to abortion, yet are willing to accept the death penalty. Why can't we all agree to go along with policies that don't limit the freedoms of man? It would stop my leftist friends from looking at me funny when I tell them that I have no objections to the death penalty and tobacco.
From the Hypocracy thread, my thoughts on your question:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...t=53076&page=3
In my statement, I'm not saying abortion is right or wrong, or making any declarations about when a fertilized egg becomes a living human. Nobody truly knows that now. I'm just saying that it's a bit odd for someone to oppose the death of a person convicted of a heinous crime, and yet support a woman's choice to potentially end the life of an innocent.