6th century is not ancient. Also those turks were in the steppes, nowhere near where they would later go.


First of all, saying "tracing before Osman"
I never said before. I said the turks were first known in a big way after Osman. I am aware of the fact that there are Seljuks and others.

Still, your bitter opposition against Turkish attempt to join the EU smells of racism.
Heh, I guess the EU better omit the word European then because it's not PC enough. A lot of people think Turkey shouldn't join for the same reasons as me. I saw an interview with the former french president Valerie D'Estaing and he had the same opinion on why they shouldn't join. I'm not the only one who understands there are differences in the cultures and people's of europe and the turkish one.