Losing 96 provinces in one year-part 2

[el_slapper]

(.../...) Don't quote me but when the Americans recaptured France and other territories, they weren't 100% sure that we wouldn't just keep them like the Nazis. (.../...)

mmmmh, this is backroom meat so I won't argue, just to say that things are more complicated ==> this is managed by the "loyalty" effect.

[Mithrandir]

Once again , a forward notice: keep the discussion on the original thread topic,or related,rebellions.

[Vladimir]

Once again , a forward notice: keep the discussion on the original thread topic,or related,rebellions.

Camels

[Budwise]

mmmmh, this is backroom meat so I won't argue, just to say that things are more complicated ==> this is managed by the "loyalty" effect.

Yeah, I know. I have done a lot of studying on this period of time and I know their is a lot of other reasons, but I needed a quick example. But then again, in history countries have agreed upon one thing and when the objective was complete, they do another.
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[crpcarrot]

well from the looks of the only province we can see there are no hapiness buildings whatsoever. if i take it all the provinces are like that and the koing got isolated well it could happen in the game.

[Yoyoma1910]

You know, a similar instance happened recently at a party I was throwing when I ran out of cheese nips...




It's amazing how much people love em.

[antisocialmunky]

Did you have the cohones to finish that campaign?

[Knight Templar]

Say screw it, the computer just cheated so its your turn. Use the -ian cheat and become the French. Then use the .deadringer. cheat and bribe all those armies that are rebel.

Interesting idea; how do you use -ian command?

[Geezer57]

Interesting idea; how do you use -ian command?

I'm going from memory here, so you'd better double-check this, but: right-click on the desktop icon used to launch MTW. From the menu that pops up select "Properties" and click it. In the properties box that comes up, click on the "Shortcut" tab. There should be a "Target:" line in the box that contains the path to the MTW executable, something like this (from my machine):

"D:\Games\Total War\Medieval - Total War\Medieval_TW.exe" -strictserver

This is from a standard MTW-VI installation, so contains the "-strictserver" switch. To activate the "-ian" switch, add one space, then the switch (-ian), immediately after strictserver, and save the new properties.

Start a game normally, then when you want to change factions hit the function keys. That part I can't help you with - don't know which keys are linked to what factions. Just play around with a test session to figure it out.

Have fun!

[ajaxfetish]

IIRC, complete instructions for using the -ian switch and a number of others are included at the end of frogbeastegg's M:TW beginner's guide.

Ajax

[miho]

Now that I'm a member and now that I can finally post in this section I'm posting another thread about losing 96 provinces in one year.I have to admit that I'm the guy who had all those rebellions on which you could read on knight templars thread. I'm posting a link where you can download my save and see for yourself. If you want you can try to play it.

Here is the link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/6308629/i...ve_it.cpg.html

[miho]

Now that I'm a member and I can post here I wanted to say some things.
I'm the guy who had all those rebellions.
First of all it was my second campaign (as Knight Templar pointed out) so I didn't know about lots of stuff, or I didn't care. I always executed all the prisoners but I didn't know what effect could that have. My consolation is that nobody even knew something like that could happen, so you might say I hold some kind of a record.

Visit https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=56039 to get the download link for the save if you still can't belive that something like that can happen.

[NodachiSam]

I'll check it out. Maybe we could make this into a challenge to retain/regain as many provinces as possible, maybe in 5 years?

[NodachiSam]

By the way, welcome to the forum!

I actually only played the turn but it was still impressive. I tried to regroup and keep as much important stuff as possible but dam, what a spectacular fall. That would be an important year in history no question. There was a civil war and if I had sided with the old king or it would've been over since he had a small stack.

I imagine if I'd play further my emissaries would go abribing and north Africa and the middle east would be retaken in a few years.

I'd need to get my economy in order since I am making -4000 a year and I would work hard to keep control of the seas.

It is in interesting predicament.

[miho]

Everybody just feel free to try to win. I'm also retrying to play the campaign now that I have some more experience. I'll keep you posted on my progress. You can also post your achievements if you want to play my save

[Mithrandir]

Merged.

[Grond]

Grond sprints for the finish, ends up a goat:

Yes. Pour me a stiff one, bartender. This is painful.

I was England, and it was near the end, at least it was the end as it should have been. I'd been lucky - a lot of money, a few rebellions amongst the other nations, and I owned north africa, spain, europe, britania, northern europe...

Everything except the holy land, some of turkey, macedonia, and Italy. Between me and sicily: The pope.

So I go to war in macedonia with the Sicilians. They've got about 4 properties there, and southern italy, and Sicily. They're angry, so they sink my fleet in the adriatic, and all the territories, it so happens, that border Sicily and southern Italy.

So I've got thousands of mean and lean troops, and not a single aircraft in sight to drop them in, cause there's no ships to transport anyone. I can SEE the bastards, there in North Italy. And I need my shipping lines open, because I have to transport troops pronto from northern Italy to the black sea and to the northern Baltic; and I'm losing florins at about 5000 a turn, and have 46,000 florins left. I can do math; this means no social security in Grondland after 10 years. No social anything. Just chaos and collapse. Time's a wasting, and if I don't FINISH THE CAMPAIGN IN NINE TURNS it'll soon be over, because I don't think this giant bloated empire will countenance a negative deficit. I'm screwed.

Impatient, I invade the pope's lands. I figure, I can finish him off in two turns, right? No pope, no excommunication, and I can get on with the business of kicking Sicily's butt.

In retrospect, it was a Very Bad Idea. How bad? Not Miho-96-Province-Bad, but still bad enough for my poor king to lose most of the internal provinces of Europe to rebellion; most of the new properties in the russias should have gone, but there were so many troops they were too afraid to voice disapproval.

Luckily, it was mostly catholic bandits and that sort of riff-raff, not reappearance of old factions. I'll take Catholic bandits any time, since they don't go corsair on me and start planning kingdoms. They're happy to sit and wait for you to deal with them on your timetable.

I should have taken 60%. I quit in disgust and went horseback riding instead.

[Ciaran]

And which of your strangely named and deranged kings did this feat? Not Snorri the Magnificent, he is, as we all know, Danish.

Hm nine turns till time runs out, and money worth for ten... doesn´t sound too bad for me, just leave the mess to your renaissance sucessor ;) It´s good politics.

[miho]

I still havent finished my game with the Egyptians but it is nearly over. I was so close to total victory that I had two more years to win. I had the Popes garrisons in Rome and Papal states under siege. But then something really spectacular happened. In 1271 6 factions reamerged with huge armies and I had a civil war. I just couldn't belive it. If you don't belive it download the save here.

Here's what it looked like in 1273


Amazing huh?

This is how it looked like a year later.

I regrouped my armies and put them in some of my more important provinces. I also destroyed every building in each province that wouldn't be mine in the next year. I did this for few reasons:
1.I get the money for destroying buildings.
2.They can't use those buildings for building new armies.
3.They can't use those buildings for profit.
4.They can't retreat to a stronghold when defeated.

I regained 7 provinces in the next year


I regained 9 provinces in the year 1275. but lost one to the Horde and some of the rebels were bribed.


In the next year I took three provinces from the Horde and killed their kahn. The remaining rebel armies were all bribed.


This one of the typical battles.

Lost 4 men killed over 400. I never took any prisoners.

By the year 1279 the Horde was eliminated and I was planing on invading Britain.


I was reorganising my forces to chrush the Danes and the Aragonese but I decided that I would wait untill the Aragose king died so I just attacked the Danes.


I attacked the French at Wessex. It was one of the largest battles.


This is how the batttlefield looked like after the battle.


In the same year I also defeated the Danes who retreated into their stonghold.




This is the end for now. I still have a few turns to complete and will post again when I've achieved the total domination.

BTW. this is my 50. post.

[Vladimir]

Look at that horrible French army. I bet you rolled right over them.

[miho]

Look at that horrible French army. I bet you rolled right over them.

Yep. They weren't that difficult. They had mostly archers and seige units. And I had mostly cavalary.

[Grond]

And which of your strangely named and deranged kings did this feat? Not Snorri the Magnificent, he is, as we all know, Danish.

Hm nine turns till time runs out, and money worth for ten... doesn´t sound too bad for me, just leave the mess to your renaissance sucessor ;) It´s good politics.

His name: King Willie the Large, a/k/a Big Willie, and his chief advisor: Cal Worthington and his dog spot. ("If you need foreign policy, go see Cal!")
Their policy is "Peace Through Superior Firepower," also commonly called "longbow detante" by the uninitiated.

[Vladimir]

I'm sure those longbows can send a diplomatic message a long distance with great speed.

[Knight Templar]

Nice empire regaining, miho . And nice cavarly battle

[miho]

Congratulations Knight Templar on getting DSL. Hope you'll now write more.

[Budwise]

To prevent Faction Comebacks and rebellions, use the SHIFT key between end turns. If you see a few sections of yellow in the map, shift around troops and go through all the territories you have to check to see if they have loyalty above 120.

[miho]

To prevent Faction Comebacks and rebellions, use the SHIFT key between end turns. If you see a few sections of yellow in the map, shift around troops and go through all the territories you have to check to see if they have loyalty above 120.

Thanks for the advice.