Xbox 360--->£279 equal PC--->£2799 WTF?

[hellenes]

What i cant understand is HOW on earth they sell 3x3.2 ghz proscessors with the huge ram and the inscane graphics card for £279?
Do you know how much it costs to get a equal PC?
So its obvious that the PC hardware industry is selling their products WAY more expensive than they worth.
Also we all know they ONLY price "benefit" of PC's compared to the well protected consoles...

Hellenes

[Mikeus Caesar]

No, it's because the ones in consoles are shoddily made. All part of a big conspiracy so they keep breaking, thus making the owners constantly buy new ones, thus bringing in more money for the company.

I like rambling on...

[Crazed Rabbit]

I know that microsoft was losing money on the first Xbox whenever they sold one. They got the money back by selling $50 games.

Crazed Rabbit

[doc_bean]

Sony traditionally loses money on the hardware in the first half of a console's lifespan. Even they don't want to compete in pricing with microsoft now...

Microsoft is going to sell the 360 at a fraction of its true value. However, they'll probably raise the amount they make per game (currently $10 of every xbox game sold goes automatically to microsoft iirc).

Also, it's often cheaper to mass produce. Consoles sell way more than normal hardware products.

[Viking]

Hardware, software. Lots of things a pitiful console doesn`t have.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

And generally you are limited with what you can do with a console - while a PC is (much closer to) unlimited in possibility.

A console is destined to be a game machine, and you can't make money off it like you can with a PC (with programming, graphics design, etc).

OT: Are there any truth to the rumors I heard about putting Linux on old Xboxes?

[Incongruous]

YES THERE IS, YOU CAN DO IT!

From what I hear the 360 will support a massive online community where you can download music videos, and the like.

I'm not sure if its true, but if it is, it has just a smuch potential than a pc but without the problem of software crap out.

[Husar]

I´d say the more complexity a console has, the higher the chance of bugs sneaking in, just like it is with PCs.
And I still refuse to buy any console.

[Fragony]

And I still refuse to buy any console.

Oh are you missing out! So many great games that you will never play, pc-gaming lost me a long time ago, last game was medieval. Face it. There is a lot more originality to be found on the console, and a nice TV screen + decent sound setup is just more of an experience then hanging before your pc, feels like work

[Husar]

Well, I´m a student at a university now and I can´t afford very much right now, trust me, besides my bed, the computer is the best place to be in my flat right now...
Well, I´d like to get a nice sofa and stuff, but I´m waiting for the state to support me with money, my parents just can´t support me in the long run...

Yes, I live in Germany in the middle of Europe where companies and jobs are screwed and even people from university can end up without a job... but that´s backroom material

On topic I´d like to know some good, non-fantasy games that are available on console and not for PC?

[Sjakihata]

Well, I´m a student at a university now and I can´t afford very much right now, trust me, besides my bed, the computer is the best place to be in my flat right now...
Well, I´d like to get a nice sofa and stuff, but I´m waiting for the state to support me with money, my parents just can´t support me in the long run...

Yes, I live in Germany in the middle of Europe where companies and jobs are screwed and even people from university can end up without a job... but that´s backroom material

On topic I´d like to know some good, non-fantasy games that are available on console and not for PC?

Funny, my case is just the same, beside the bed, the pc is the place (also studying).

About games - a lot of racing games uh, and of course Spartan Total War

[Husar]

Funny, my case is just the same, beside the bed, the pc is the place (also studying).

About games - a lot of racing games uh, and of course Spartan Total War

You´re LCPL-Skafs[PARA], aren´t you?
Spartan is fantasy IMO, though it may be fun anyway, but racing games are too boring for me in the long run.

[Fragony]

Well I could of course recommend a crapload of titles but I hate poor people

Non fantasy, that kind of complicates things, you won't find a game like the total war series, or civilisation on a console. There are some realistic shooters, but not as many and as good as on pc. Sounds like you are where you belong

[Sjakihata]

You´re LCPL-Skafs[PARA], aren´t you?

Hey! How did you know me secret identity? Yes that's me. Do you play AA as well, and under what name?

[Husar]

Does KarlKarolinger tell you anything?
You´re in my buddylist for some time now, you talked about AA and your clan some time ago, so after some research...

[Sjakihata]

Hey lol! I just played with you today then, in Urban Assault.

[Husar]

That was not just coincidence...

[Sjakihata]

hey husar, why don't you go here: www.parachute-regiment.co.uk and enlist

[Kekvit Irae]

I remember it was like yesterday when Microsoft was in the whole "Software, not hardware!" phase.

[Papewaio]

Consoles are heavily subsidised.

Mass production of the same hardware in the same configuration drastically drops the price. Particulary when you add in 3rd world labour costs for a console compared with say a local mum and pop computer store that builds a custom order PC.

Xbox linux, xbox clusters, xbox webfarms have all been done...

[Bob the Insane]

I posted this in the CoD2 thread, but I will state it hear to as it is relivant...

The Walmart where I live has a XBOX 360 in a demo cabinet and what ever the price and whether the components and cheap or not, I saw and played CoD2 and it looked just the same as on my PC (AMD64 +3200, 6800GT and 1GB RAM)... Though I would have to run them side by side to really spot any differences (dynamic lights maybe?!??!)...

Anyway, that has made me feel pretty confident about getting one (that and the fact i already have a HDTV)...

Only problem is that I have not preordered and EBGames at least is stating that if you have not already pre-ordered don't expect to get one before 2006!!

[lars573]

Luckily I live in a province with less population density. So my EB has only worked for the first 2-3 days of 360's. I get paid on Tuesday so I can have the 574.99 needed to buy it.

[Geoffrey S]

In general whatever a console can run a PC can run, and after a couple of years graphics are significantly better on a PC. Then again, it's getting to the point where the main improvement of graphics is in the details. The generation of consoles after the next one should last a long time.

[Zalmoxis]

They have these new fangled Xboxes built in Asia, right?

[Papewaio]

In general whatever a console can run a PC can run, and after a couple of years graphics are significantly better on a PC. Then again, it's getting to the point where the main improvement of graphics is in the details. The generation of consoles after the next one should last a long time.

Nope, the next generation will have powerful physics cards, so instead of 10 or a 100 objects on screen that you can interact with, there will be 10,000 or 100,000 objects you can interact with...

The graphics card say what the object looks like.

The physics card says how it moves/interacts/blows up.

[Husar]

a physics card? sounds funny, but isn´t that something CPUs are supposed to do? I mean the get better anyway and as soon as they have a quattro-core or so, we can use a core for physics.

[drone]

Nope, the next generation will have powerful physics cards, so instead of 10 or a 100 objects on screen that you can interact with, there will be 10,000 or 100,000 objects you can interact with...

The graphics card say what the object looks like.

The physics card says how it moves/interacts/blows up.

They are developing physics processors/cards for PCs, it's only a matter of time before the games start allowing them to accelerate with the hardware. AGEAI is one of the first, here's an article from ExtremeTech from E3:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1817922,00.asp

[lars573]

a physics card? sounds funny, but isn´t that something CPUs are supposed to do? I mean the get better anyway and as soon as they have a quattro-core or so, we can use a core for physics.

I'm sure about 1993 someone said something similar about graphics. I've heard of the physics cards working in 2 directions. 1 a hardware card with a PPU (physics prcessing unit) and P-ram, the other software to use a core in a multi-core system. If you think about it every PC sold today is a dual cored machine. It has a CPU and a GPU.

I've also heard tell of a company that is researching an AI card for Gaming PC's.

So by like 2010 we could be buying PC's with a CPU, a GPU, a PPU, and a AIPU. But with a multi-core system you could still only have a GPU in an expansion card.

[Husar]

Do not forget soundcards.
Soon those ultra fast, high-resolution laser mice will need their own Mouse-processing-unit as well(as soon as they reach the resolution of modern photo-scanners ).

But having some advanced physics in games can never be wrong, it´s just the additional costs that scare me.

[Spino]

I'm sure about 1993 someone said something similar about graphics. I've heard of the physics cards working in 2 directions. 1 a hardware card with a PPU (physics prcessing unit) and P-ram, the other software to use a core in a multi-core system. If you think about it every PC sold today is a dual cored machine. It has a CPU and a GPU.

I've also heard tell of a company that is researching an AI card for Gaming PC's.

So by like 2010 we could be buying PC's with a CPU, a GPU, a PPU, and a AIPU. But with a multi-core system you could still only have a GPU in an expansion card.

Sounds like an Amiga Redux.