Should idiots be saved?

[Devastatin Dave]

I'm watching the news and they just had a live shot of some stupid women who had to be saved off a cliff that she was climbing. In my opinion, I believe risk taking dumbshits should not be saved when they put themselves in dangerous situations for there own thrills. "Evolustion" I suppose.
So am i wrong to have such a chavalier attitude for dumbasses out there seeking adrinaline highs? Inquiring minds want to know...

[BDC]

As anyone who has read Brave New World knows, you need the stupid to do boring menial labour.

[Devastatin Dave]

I rarely agree with you

Common sense always trumps politics!!!

[Reverend Joe]

Let the idiots die. It'll clear some of the muck out of the gene pool. I mean, I don't support euthanasia at all, but... well... come on- you have to draw the line somewhere!

[Duke Malcolm]

As anyone who has read Brave New World knows, you need the stupid to do boring menial labour.

What a coincidence -- We are studying that in my English class just now in preparation for the exams in May. And that is the only use for idiots...

[Ser Clegane]

Save them - but make sure to present them the bill afterwards

[Meneldil]

Save them - but make sure to present them the bill afterwards

Way to go. They'll likely not try to climb another mountain after that.

[drone]

Save them - but make sure to present them the bill afterwards

Don't the French charge you for rescue for skiing accidents. I hear rescue helicopters don't come cheap . Isn't this the point of Carte Neige insurance?

[King Henry V]

Let them get them selves out of trouble if they are stupid enough to do things such as this. Or present them with a wacking great bill with a 20% surchage for having saved their lives.

[Dutch_guy]

Save them - but make sure to present them the bill afterwards

Don't they always do that ?

Like Drone I was under the impression that you had to pay for your own rescue, be it skiing or some other sport were you need to be saved from death.

[BDC]

Don't they always do that ?

Like Drone I was under the impression that you had to pay for your own rescue, be it skiing or some other sport were you need to be saved from death.

I don't think you have to at sea though. Which is for the best, the lifeboat people need practice!

[drone]

Don't they always do that ?

Like Drone I was under the impression that you had to pay for your own rescue, be it skiing or some other sport were you need to be saved from death.

I was under the impression that the French do charge you, but I'm not sure about other countries. The Carte Neige gets you off the mountain (on or off piste). I don't know if this covers other winter sports activities though. IIRC, Carte Neige profits support either ski patrols or go to the ski team.

[yesdachi]

Save them - but make sure to present them the bill afterwards

No kidding, I remember seeing a most extreme rescue show on national geographic and there were a handful of guys trapped on a mountain and they needed a helicopter to rescue them. The copter caught a bad wind and crashed right next to them. Just how much does a rescue helicopter cost?

[Dîn-Heru]

Of course the person should be saved. What are the circumstances that led to the accident? It is not necessarily something about the person that has caused the bad situation. Unforseen bad weather, equipment malfunction and so on. Basically, Sh** can happen.

As for the argument that people should not seek situations that may be potentially dangerous, what should we rather do sit or lie on the couch watching tv. The result of such behavior can be seen in the western world (read: obesity..).

So, imo it is the socity's resposibilty to save people if this can be done without endangering the life of the rescuers. However, if it was incompetence of the person that led to the person needing to be rescued, then that person should be responsible to pay for the entire or large part of the rescue operation.

And if you are still not convinced that they should be saved.. I seem to remember that you have said that you are a born again Christian. What would Jesus do..? (This is in no way meant as an attack on Christianty or any other religion, or DD, it is simply an example of how one should think like about these things)

[King Henry V]

Now, there is a difference between safe, healthy sports such as swimming and cycling, and downright dangerous stuff like skydiving.

[Viking]

Norwegian Red Cross was once sued of the mother of a BASE jumper who they didn`t manage to rescue, so he died hanging in the mountain side.

[Devastatin Dave]

What would Jesus do..? (This is in no way meant as an attack on Christianty or any other religion, or DD, it is simply an example of how one should think like about these things)

if they were stuck in the water, He'd walk across and get them. If on a mountain, he would float up there and carry them off. If they were trapped in a cave, He cause an eathquake, opening the earth to retrieve them. But the Lord gives us freedom to do with our lives as we want even if we decide to waste it on hazardous sports. But rescuers and tax payers should not be responsible for the stupid actions of the adventurous. I'm not the best Christian, OBVIOUSLY, but there is only so much "What would Jesus do" actions that can be taken for the less intelligent and common sensless amoung us.

[Kanamori]

If I was the rescuer and the taxpayers were so worried about spending money to save a life, I would punch-out and do it anyways.

[Adrian II]

If I was the rescuer and the taxpayers were so worried about spending money to save a life, I would punch-out and do it anyways.

Spoken like a man.

[Geoffrey S]

Dumb people in the world make smart people possible.

Anyway, obviously the person in question should be saved. If deemed necessary she should pay up, but deciding not to save her because you consider her stupid is incredibly callous.

[yesdachi]

If I was the rescuer and the taxpayers were so worried about spending money to save a life, I would punch-out and do it anyways.

Punch out who? The idiots?


Back on topic… I think in some cases at least, when you call the fire department you do get a bill.

[Dîn-Heru]

if they were stuck in the water, He'd walk across and get them. If on a mountain, he would float up there and carry them off. If they were trapped in a cave, He cause an eathquake, opening the earth to retrieve them. But the Lord gives us freedom to do with our lives as we want even if we decide to waste it on hazardous sports. But rescuers and tax payers should not be responsible for the stupid actions of the adventurous. I'm not the best Christian, OBVIOUSLY, but there is only so much "What would Jesus do" actions that can be taken for the less intelligent and common sensless amoung us.

Hehe, fair enough, but I still belive that they should be saved if possible, and then have to pay for it if it is their fault.


@ Henry V: None of the "safe" sports you mention are 100% safe, except perhaps swimming, if you had seen me ride my bike you would be surprised that I have not had more accidents.

There are risks involved in most sports, in the vast majority you only risk injuries and are in a place where you can easily be taken to a hospital for treatment. So you still risk causing the tax-payers some expences, except if you are in a country without a free healthcare. Skydiving, mountain climbing and so on are reasonably safe, I would imagine that they are less dangerous than driving a car for instance. Safety gear, and experience sees to it that something that seems dangerous becomes much less risky.

The point is that accidents can happen, and you cannot automatically say: "To hell with you, you chose to do something potentially dangerous, so you are on your own mate!", because what you belive is dangerous is not necessarily dangerous for another person.

Basically what I am trying to say with far too many words, is that if you did something people considered stupid and had an accident, should people just leave you to die for your mistake..?

[Ldvs]

Don't the French charge you for rescue for skiing accidents. I hear rescue helicopters don't come cheap . Isn't this the point of Carte Neige insurance?

We certainly do. It is out of the question we rescue suicidal idiots for free.

[Mongoose]

yes, they should be saved. But they should pay for it; AFAIK most of these people are fairly wealthy any way so i doubt they couldn't afford it....

[Togakure]

Save them - but make sure to present them the bill afterwards

If I was the rescuer and the taxpayers were so worried about spending money to save a life, I would punch-out and do it anyways.

Well-spoken.

[JimBob]

Just cause you guys can't hack Denali don't take it out on me.

Mt. Hood and Mt. Rainier are usually very safe. Work out and do a day hike up and down. But should the weather turn foul quickly people get in trouble should we sit and let them?

And why are people who do these things dumbasses? Because it's dangerous? Suck it up, if we stayed away from danger none of us would be here.

[Soulforged]

The persons should always be saved. But from a legal point of view, if the recuers have that function then they should do it in any case, if they don't want to be charged.
But that care for the human life is the best bliss one can have. Saying let them die is really bad...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Should idiots be saved?

No. I hope all Liberals go the way of the Dodo

[bmolsson]

No. I hope all Liberals go the way of the Dodo

You are to hard on your self. I would save you.....

[Papewaio]

Should soldiers be saved that are wounded on the battlefield?

Of course they should be saved. What kind of spineless society leaves their people to die. Charge them for it, make a profit. But do not be so weak a society that you cannot look after your own.

What would Judas Do?

Go get the authorities, get you rescued and expect a reward for his effort.

Which is a lot better then some around here. And if Judas is a more moral person then yourself, I suggest you really take stock of your life.