Tried the cheats and they.........drumroll worked!!!! Played the turks in high on expert, no cheats except 2 extra heirs. Everything was going great. Had Byzantium by 1218, and everything all the way to Rum. Left Georgia as a buffer for the horde. But as 1230 comes about, three different hordes appeared. One in Volga Bulgaria, One in Khazaar, and one in Armenia. And all of them between 25,000 to 30,000 strong. I removed all but 100 Saracens from Armenia, and forced them to lay seige. The battle was epic, but short. It was a losing battle all the way. And after 10 years of intense fighting, I was down to Constantople, Rum and Anatolia. I decided to badgerbunny and deadringer it, just to get back to my feet, but the damn eggies betrayed me and took rum, I invaded greece with a ton of mercenaries, but in the end it fell to the Hungarians and all I was left with was Constantinople, a handful of JHI with gold weapons and armor, and 5-7 stack armies from 3 different factions just itching to invade. I decided to surrender, to the eggies of course, so at least a fellow Muslim would reign in the Medittereanen.